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General Categories => Tools & Supplies => Topic started by: Erica McPhee on January 08, 2014, 01:50:46 AM
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
I also like
HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) - Not quite as smooth but seems to work fine without snagging or skips.
Would like to hear if other's enjoy any others!
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Rhodia dot pads for practice! :)
In the Philippines, I buy Bevania white paper for drafts.
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In France (and almost Europe) there is no "HP Office Premium Laser" paper (because of paper format that don't mach). I tried to find something similar and ended on Clairefontaine DCP Laser 100g for my everyday practice. It's not expensive, really white, and has a good quality. I just ordered some "Clairefontaine DCP 135g" and "Clairefontaine Clairalfa 120g" to see if there is a change. Will tell you as soon as I test them! ;)
PS: this is a humble advice from a beginner, you may have better suggests ;)
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I hear Clairefontaine paper is amazing. But it's hard to come by in Vancouver ;D
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Thank you for sharing that Vince! I had no idea HP paper wasn't available in other countries (how narrow minded of me!). I appreciate you sharing your favorites! :D
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I'm on a other forum fountain pen lovers here in france www.stylo-plume.org (http://www.stylo-plume.org)... by the way, lot of members are in love with calligraphy, and I've done some advertising about the flourish forum, so, I think some new members will join us ;)
For most of them the best paper to test is RHODIA... And indeed, when I Started, with my teacher, I used Rhodias pads - great !!
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Thanks for the good word, Nora! :)
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I just ordered some "Clairefontaine DCP 135g" and "Clairefontaine Clairalfa 120g" to see if there is a change. Will tell you as soon as I test them! ;)
Hey Vince, did you ever get to test those papers?
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I would recommend Canson XL Marker, 70 gr: good for tracing but also good to use with ink.
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Hi Deletras!
Welcome to the Forum!
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I tried to find something similar and ended on Clairefontaine DCP Laser 100g for my everyday practice. It's not expensive, really white, and has a good quality. I just ordered some "Clairefontaine DCP 135g" and "Clairefontaine Clairalfa 120g" to see if there is a change. Will tell you as soon as I test them! ;)
I bought the Clairefontaine DCP 120g paper and I'm not happy. It is very smoothy and has a good quality. But the ink runs (Lamy, Higgins, Pelikan). Not much, but you see it.
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I purchased some Georgia-Pacific paper, Weight 28 bright 97, ink jet and laser paper. Does not work so well. I am on the look out for some of the HP paper. So its not my favorite, i am forced to use Borden & Riley pure rag marker paper, it was recommended by local calligraphy teacher. Not cheap I hate using it for practice. :-[
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This is the best practice paper. It takes ink beautifully.
And it's so reasonably priced. I love it!
http://www.officedepot.com/mb/skupage.do?skuid=271501
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Thats what I have on my list. I will try office depot first.
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I also like the HP laserjet and inkjet papers. Staples carries it around me.
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I purchused the HP paper today at office depot. so far so good. no more wasting my good paper.
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Oh good! I'm glad it helped.
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Hi! I like HP Premium Choice Laser paper. It is expensive in terms of printing paper but inexpensive for calligraphy work. ;D I use walnut ink, McCaffrey's iron gall ink, or sumi ink and it does not bleed and glides on the paper. Some have found Higgins Eternal bleeds on it.
I hope that helps! :)
http://www.amazon.com/HP-11310-0-Premium-Choice-Laserjet/dp/B000099O2W
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I need to try some of these inks. So far my higgins eternal has not bled, i said not yet. At 500 sheets that should last me a couple of weeks at least. Thank all ya'll for the suggestion.
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My all time favorite practice paper is Canson Pro Layout Marker paper, it's smooth, smooth, smooth! You can buy two sizes both in pads of 50 sheets. I've tried many practice pads & always go back to this one.
http://www.dickblick.com/products/canson-pro-layout-marker-paper/
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I second that Marcia. :) However, for general practice, I have to stick with the HP. At the rate I go through it (about a ream every two weeks), it would cost me $175/month vs. $36.
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You go threw 50 sheets every 2 weeks. Jeez i have to start practicing more haha
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I think I found the HP paper, it's called differently here. Erica, is the 100g one okay too? Can you see guide sheets through the 120g one?
Looks the same, right? http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000SHUCIU/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p229_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1Q405Z6ANHGA55K6WB1A&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455353807&pf_rd_i=301128 (http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000SHUCIU/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p229_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1Q405Z6ANHGA55K6WB1A&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455353807&pf_rd_i=301128)
I use about 100 sheets of practice paper a month, so I really gotta start looking for cheaper alternatives :D
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It does look the exact same. I can't see guide lines very well through mine, but you can print guide lines directly onto the paper. It's great for just practicing. Or use a light pad.
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Brad, I go through about 250 sheets a week!
Yes, Natascha, that looks the same. I use the 120g one and can seeing through it with a light box but not without it.
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Erica speaking of this paper I love it. But sometimes my nib a Japanese tach g will.pick up fibers in the paper and then bleed all over it. Normal? Also I have noticed that ink pooling up on the back that I mentioned earlier. Onlyhappens with these nibs. No matter what ink I am using. All of them even the new ones. Different nibs no problem. Think maybe they are cheap nibs. I dont won't you to talk bad about some company of course but I'm am trying to CSI a problem. Thoughts beside use different nibs. Don't worry that's coming.
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LOL! I look forward to more thoughts! ;D
I haven't used the Tach nibs yet. I just placed a big order with all the different varieties so I will let you know when I try them out. I have used that paper for years with the Nikko G and Hiro 41 and the only time it snags with those is when the nib is done. :D
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I really want to buy the hp paper because I too go through a lot of paper but my problem is I don't have a light box and cant afford on just yet. What to do?
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I paid 38 dollars for mine at Hobby Lobby after the 40 percent coupon. Thought about those crayola light boxes there relitivly inexpensive. I think you can make your own if your crafty. I could not.
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I really want to buy the hp paper because I too go through a lot of paper but my problem is I don't have a light box and cant afford on just yet. What to do?
Print or draw the guidelines on the paper.
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I'd really try cheapo drawing paper or letter writing paper pads in the supermarket or stationery shop. That's what I do at least. Half of them are usually really decent fpr practice, I just take care that they don't have more than 80 or 90g / m2, so that I can see the guidelines through them – I have a lightpad but don't particularly like using it except when I must (for very thick paper). And I am too lazy to draw the guidelines, and I don't like writing on printed ones, but as Natascha (sisterofdream) suggested, some like that too!
The papers that don't work well because the ink is bleeding or they are too scratchy I can still use for pencil drills / sketches (or I give it to the kids – but your's are already grown I think ;)). And I recommend again iron gall ink, it really works on nearly every paper without bleeding … but that's just my experience.
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Some say drawing guidelines are almost relaxing. Not for me but for some haha.
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Use the 24 lb HP paper. You can see bold guidelines underneath it without a lightbox.
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Thanks calligraphy friends. Really good tips!!! I have been wanting to use iron gall ink for a while. So I think since it writes well on most paper I will invest in that first.
I love this forum everybody is so helpful :-))))))
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I have bordon and riley 100 percent pure rag paper ( cotton comp). Its so thin no light box needed.
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Erica - the HP Premium Choice Laser Paper is excellent for practice & as scratch paper as I'm working! Thank you for the suggestion. I've always used the Canson marker paper for my scratches while I'm working, but the HP paper is a much greater value!! I went to Office Depot & since they downsized the store, they didn't have it on the shelf. They ordered it for me, shipped to my house, NO SHIPPING!
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Marcia,
That is great to hear! So even though it is one of the most expensive laser papers, it is really more cost effective than any "art" paper. And I just love the surface. Glad it is working well for you, too. Free shipping to your door - hooray! ;D
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As you know, Erica, I have to echo Marcia's sentiment about the HP Laser Paper. I swear it changed my life! Seriously! I had no idea the paper could make such a difference. I now feel like I am moving forward rather than brooding over how bad my writing was getting. It really wasn't the writing that looked bad, it was the practice paper that made my writing look bad! Big, big difference!
Thank you again,
Ellen
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That's awesome Ellen!
I'm happy it has helped so much. It is amazing how one little thing can make such a big difference. I'm so glad it has helped. Your lettering is looking great! :)
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I got the HP paper!
The 100g one though, but it is still a wonderful practice paper. And 500 pages for 12€/16$ is awesome.
THANK YOU, Erica! You've made my life so much easier already :D going through so much expensive paper was really painful, much better now :D it's even better than the paper from the art supply store I got, which was like 8€ for 75 pages.
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Hooray! Wonderful news! :) Perhaps I should buy stock in this paper. ;D
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I love this paper too, but all my nibs are catching fibers from the paper and making my hairlines not so thin.
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I'm sorry to hear that Brad. :( Not sure if you are already doing this, but if not, try frequently (like every third word or so or when you see fibers building up on the tip) dipping your pen into clean water, and wiping with a cloth. I find if I increase the frequency with which I do that, I get less fiber built up. Also, it may be coming close to the time to change your nib.
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Yes I do that, i am glad you said that tho because i thought i might be something something wrong. I ordered some new nibs, different name brands so maybe they will work better
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What nibs have you been using?
I'm mostly using the EF66 and Nikko G and I don't get anything stuck in there with this paper, maybe you are pressing too hard on the upstrokes?
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I have been using Tachikawa G Nibs. I do not like them, i have nothing but bad things to say about them. I catch them on the down stroke. I just ordered some nikko g last night so maybe i will have better luck with them.
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Brad, I think you will find the Nikko G's much better. I just posted on another thread that I finally tried the Tachikawa G and I found it does collect fibers much more than the Nikko. It is definitely sharper.
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Thank you. That is great news
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Few weeks ago I bought the Clairefontaine DCP Laser 120g. All my inks (Higgins, Pelikan, Lamy) bleed.
Yesterday I bought the HP paper (thank you, sisterofdream ;) ). But I'm a little sad, because also on this paper my inks bleed. :'(
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I don't know that paper, nor the Higgins ink of which I have read many complaints here – but I do know Parker and Pelikan inks, and while they are great with fountain pens they tend to bleed with dip pens. Simply because, I guess at least, because there is much more ink on the paper with a swelled downstroke. Adding gum arabic helps sometimes. I also like using coloured fountain pen inks because they look like ink (a bit transparent), not like colour, in contrast to acrylic inks for example (which are also nice - just different).
You can buy bottled gum arabic in liquid form in art supply stores and add it with a pipette to the ink. Don't put in the whole bottle because apperently the gum can go bad (I read, never happened to my ink). I use separate containers for this.
The nicest ink for practice (simply black) is imho still iron gall ink because it has just the perfect flow, nearly never bleeds, gives good hairlines. Walnut ink also has good writing properties (can you say that?) but tends to bleed on more papers than iron gall ink, in my experience.
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Sunny, I'm so sorry you've had a bad experience with the paper.
I've used three 500 packs of the HP Laser printer paper and it has never bled.
Is it possible that its from a 'bad' batch?
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I use Higgins Eternal routinely on HP 24 lb and 32 lb papers with no bleeding or feathering. Be careful you didnt buy one of the HP multipurpose economy papers: they may not work as well. I have had a good experience with Higgins Eternal and tend to use it for everything except addressing greeting cards, which tend to be cheaper paper. I like Higgins better than Sumi Moon Palace, which I find thick, gloppy, and generally difficult to work with. Check to be sure you are using the right kind of HP paper, and also the suggestion of adding a bit of gum arabic to the ink is good. (The GA has helped with using Higgins Eternal on cheap paper).
This is the HP paper I have used:
http://www.staples.com/HP-Bright-White-Inkjet-Paper-8-1-2-inch-x-11-inch/product_852388
http://www.staples.com/HP-LaserJet-Paper-8-1-2-inch-x-11-inch-Ream/product_782078
http://www.staples.com/HP-Premium-Choice-Laser-Paper-8-1-2-inch-x-11-inch/product_397160
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Few weeks ago I bought the Clairefontaine DCP Laser 120g. All my inks (Higgins, Pelikan, Lamy) bleed.
Yesterday I bought the HP paper (thank you, sisterofdream ;) ). But I'm a little sad, because also on this paper my inks bleed. :'(
I can assure you sometimes mine bleeds through as well. I have Higgins and liquex.
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The paper I'm referring to is the HP Laser 32 lb.
I've used Higgins, Sumi, watercolors and gouche with no bleeding or feathering.
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Here is the paper that I use. And a guideline sheet from Erica that the ink has bled through
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I don't know that this would make a difference for ink bleeding or not but do you all use a cushion underneath your guide sheet? I always use a piece of white craft felt underneath my guidelines. This helps give the paper a little bounce. Perhaps the loft prevents the ink from pushing into the paper too much?
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No ,I do not. Do you do that on the lightbox as well?
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I always use about 6 sheets of paper as a "cushion" as well.
I also use 1 or 2 with the light box, depending on how thick the paper I'm writing on is. Sometimes I don't use any at all with the light box.
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Yes, I use it with the lightbox. Works great! :) I you don't have a piece of felt, you can also use a white papertowel. Or do like Roseann does and use a few extra sheets of paper.
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I don't have any felt paper laying around I will have to search but I tried a paper towel and wow that makes huge difference on the way it feels
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It's actually just an 8.5x11 square of craft felt. I don't know if you have access to a craft store like Michael's but they have them there. But the papertowel works just as well. I really like the cushion it provides and I feel like the pen glides better.
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I enjoyed practicing on I believe it was HP computer paper. Now I have a strathmore calligraphy paper sketchbook
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brad - i use that exact same paper, and as erica suggested, a piece of white felt from Michaels/joann fabrics/hobby lobby, and a guide sheet and i have not had any bleed thru. i love the way the felt gives the pen some bounce and softness, and it also cuts down on eye fatigue from the lightpad.
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Re the craft felt: doesn't the tip the nib go through the paper? I guess I would be forced to lighten my touch!
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no not at all. the felt is very thin, it's just the inexpensive 27 cent piece from the craft aisle. as others have posted, paper towels or a few extra sheets of paper would work as well. i just like the felt as it diffuses the light a bit. i used to have a yellow piece of felt that really helped to diffuse the light, but that was somehow confiscated to make pieces of "cheese" for a felt sandwich ;) now i have just white.
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Thanks Joi,
I have all the stores mentioned within a few miles of me I'll have to pick one or two up.
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LOL - felt cheese sandwich! ;D
I love using the felt. It gives a nice cushion. Makes a huge difference with flourishing as well!
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So I was able to pickup some HP Premium Laser paper, a nice piece of felt & some sumi ink from our local art supply and I'm so happy I did! My thick & thin lines are much more distinct from each other and less wibbly-wobbly. ::) Next step will probably be some sort of light box...I'd love to be able to see the guide lines. Erica, thanks for the tips! :)
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Oh, that's great news! I'm glad it is working well! :) Thanks for letting us all know, too! :)
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Whoa cool! I've never thought about using felt under my pages!! I usually just write on a pad of paper. I'm totally gonna try felt or a paper towel!
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I allowed myself a lefa writing mat (http://www.manufactum.com/lefa-writing-mat-large-p1402341/?a=65595) on which I fix a big sheet of blotting paper to protect the mat from ink stains. Works nicely. I rarely use my light table (which is huge, I bought it a couple of years before for illustration design, I think it's from the sixties and 15cm high, so not really comfortable for writing). I use light weight paper (60–90g/m2) for practice, where I can see through without a problem. For reproduction / scanning I use the Borden & Riley Boris pad, which I think is genius (another tip from Barbara Calzolari), it just allows for the crispest lines and it's very transparent but firm.
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I'm a little annoyed with myself for not having thought to try felt as an underlay ... well, that'll get put to rights before long. As for paper, it's usually Rhodia 80gsm, but recently I found a source for Elco James pads at an absurdly low price and invested heavily. Probably rather too good for practice purposes, but a real pleasure to use.
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For everyday practice I use Hammermill Digital Color Copy (http://www.staples.com/HammerMill-Color-Copy-Digital-Paper/product_SS913261) Cheap, 28lb, very smooth and holds all inks perfectly.
For Nice white paper & #10 Envelopes I use Conqueror (http://www.thepapermillstore.com/paper-mills/arjowiggins/conqueror) Brilliant White. Paper doesn't get any better than this for writing
For lined paper for letters I use Rhodia Lined Pads (http://www.paperinkarts.com/rh1860.html)
For Graph Paper I use Rhodia Grid (http://www.paperinkarts.com/rh1820.html)
For colored and card stock I use the 12x12 smooth card stock from hobby lobby. The pages that are sold individually. It holds all ink well without feathering.
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Chirstopher
I just discovered something rather upsetting.
The 28# Hammermill Digital Color Copy paper, behaves differently on both sides. I was getting nice fine lines on one side, and on the other side, no fine lines. I thought it was me, then I went back to the front and got the fine lines again. That was only ONE sheet, but it appears that the paper has a front and back side. I'm trying to figure out how to tell the sides apart, since I have a bunch of paper out of the packaging, and can't tell which side was oriented to the front/back of the packaging.
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I've had that with some of the digital color paper - I always forgot to check the arrow before ripping open the package! :o
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Has anyone tried printing guidelines on HP Laser Premium Choice paper with an inkjet printer rather than a laser? I only have an HP Photosmart inkjet printer and don't have a light box (yet!)
Thanks!
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Has anyone tried printing guidelines on HP Laser Premium Choice paper with an inkjet printer rather than a laser? I only have an HP Photosmart inkjet printer and don't have a light box (yet!)
Thanks!
It should work just fine if you print it on the fast setting, might have to wait a few seconds for it to dry if anything.
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I have never hand a problem. The only thing is if your guidelines have some sort of color to it you might have to print in color instead of black and white.
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Great, sounds like it should work! Thanks Heebs and Brad! :)
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It works great! I use it all the time in my inkjet. :)
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I bought some guidelines for Copperplate drawn by Dr. Joe Vitoto (I got them at Paper & Ink Arts). At the bottom of the page, he indicated: "Recommended printing on Kodak Brite White Printer Paper". I couldn't find that locally, but ordered it online. I liked it alot! However, it was really pricey! ($43.59 for 13 x 19 White 20 Sheets/Pack) I also purchased Hammermill Premium Multi-Purpose paper at Office Depot ($12.29 for 500 sheets) I find the Hammermill to be perfectly acceptable, as it doesn't "grab" the nib or cause it to wear out too fast!
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The other paper that I use is from Staples, and it is made from sugar cane.
It has a bit of surface texture, so might be troublesome for pointed nibs.
It is 20# weight, but it has stood up to all the inks that I've put on it...so far.
The lighter 20# weight makes it easier to see the guide sheet below than the 28# paper.
It has a slight bluish gray color, not a stark white.
And it wasn't expensive.
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The other paper that I use is from Staples, and it is made from sugar cane.
Interesting! I'd like to try that. Can you snack on it for dessert, too? ;D
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I decided to do a test with the Staples sugar cane paper.
This is the first time I used Higgins Eternal on it. I had previously used if for fountain pen writing and with Speedball acrylic ink and a bowl nib on a dip pen.
The results with a Nikko G nib was promising. The nib did not snag or tear at the paper. The paper seems to resist damage when wet with ink during writing with the Nikko G nib. I did not try a sharper nib. And as you can see in the scan, I could do decently thin lines on this paper.
However, things were quite different with a Hiro 41 nib. I could NOT get similar thin lines with the Hiro 41 on the sugar cane paper. I could get thin lines on Staples Brazil filler paper. So the conclusion is the Hiro 41+Higgins Eternal+Staples sugar cane paper is not a good combination. Maybe it would work better if the Higgins Eternal is thickened a bit. But that is a later experiment.
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
I also like
HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) - Not quite as smooth but seems to work fine without snagging or skips.
Would like to hear if other's enjoy any others!
Thank you so much for the helpful practice paper. I love the HP premium to letter on!
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Hi! Practice paper available in the Philippines:
muji loose leaf (around $2/100 leaves)
Paper one 100gsm
Blue feather notebook (<$1)
Corona jotter pad (<$0.5)
:) i've noticed that parker quink bleeds in the thin papers but winsor and newton and kohl-i-noor do not.
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Don't know if somebody mentioned it already but they said Rhodia Dot pads are really good. Though it's a bit pricey.
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I'm not overly fond of the dots, but Rhodia in general is a safe bet. The plain #19 oversized A4 pads have been my regulars for practice for a long time.
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This may not be available in countries outside of Asia and Australia, but has anyone tried PaperOne Presentation Paper 100gsm before? I've seen many threads about it in FPN forums that say it's favorable for most FP inks. I'm not sure if this translates to calligraphy inks, but I have bad luck on the best of days and every damn paper I purchase happen to have inadequate sizing and feathers, bleeds...
I can't find HP premium laser paper in my bookstores but there's this PaperOne one. so I hope to make sure before I throw money down again :(
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I've never heard of it, Faeleia, but if I spot it I'll grab a ream - I'm always up for testing!
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This may not be available in countries outside of Asia and Australia, but has anyone tried PaperOne Presentation Paper 100gsm before? I've seen many threads about it in FPN forums that say it's favorable for most FP inks. I'm not sure if this translates to calligraphy inks, but I have bad luck on the best of days and every damn paper I purchase happen to have inadequate sizing and feathers, bleeds...
I can't find HP premium laser paper in my bookstores but there's this PaperOne one. so I hope to make sure before I throw money down again :(
I HOARD PAPER ONE PACKAGES! :) I can guarantee that they're good for drafting and it serves well as a practice paper. It doesn't really bleed but the shadow is visible at the back since its just 100 GSM. It doesn't feather for most inks. I use Higgins Eternal daily :)
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This may not be available in countries outside of Asia and Australia, but has anyone tried PaperOne Presentation Paper 100gsm before? I've seen many threads about it in FPN forums that say it's favorable for most FP inks. I'm not sure if this translates to calligraphy inks, but I have bad luck on the best of days and every damn paper I purchase happen to have inadequate sizing and feathers, bleeds...
I can't find HP premium laser paper in my bookstores but there's this PaperOne one. so I hope to make sure before I throw money down again :(
I HOARD PAPER ONE PACKAGES! :) I can guarantee that they're good for drafting and it serves well as a practice paper. It doesn't really bleed but the shadow is visible at the back since its just 100 GSM. It doesn't feather for most inks. I use Higgins Eternal daily :)
Thanks Sienne! Okay, I'ma see if I get and one haul home tomorrow, have a nice sit down with it and introduce it to my pens, let it know its boundaries and that feathering is bad paperly behavior and hopefully no innocent tables get flipped over. :D
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Tell me how it goes! Goodluck and enjoy! ;)
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Hi everyone
Sorry if I missed it, but I'm in the UK and trying to find the right equivalent. Would HP Premium Choice Colour Laser Paper A4 120gsm (http://www.findmysupplies.co.uk/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=170&Section_Id=1603&Product_Id=142229&gclid=CjkKEQjw8YSdBRChhPXJvPvMztABEiQAkn893jB86nLoQsDyeKtbS6doZ3fTMiwqKUZE2mZS64vNSWbw_wcB) do the trick?
Thanks
Kate
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Hi everyone
Sorry if I missed it, but I'm in the UK and trying to find the right equivalent. Would HP Premium Choice Colour Laser Paper A4 120gsm (http://www.findmysupplies.co.uk/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=170&Section_Id=1603&Product_Id=142229&gclid=CjkKEQjw8YSdBRChhPXJvPvMztABEiQAkn893jB86nLoQsDyeKtbS6doZ3fTMiwqKUZE2mZS64vNSWbw_wcB) do the trick?
Thanks
Kate
not sure if it is the same... the package looks a little different but here is the paper on amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Color-Laser-Paper-Plain/dp/B000H80CXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1403121747&sr=8-3&keywords=hp+paper (http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Color-Laser-Paper-Plain/dp/B000H80CXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1403121747&sr=8-3&keywords=hp+paper)
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Just to follow up on Paper One 100gsm Digital/Presentation Paper (the red package) works great! Except for Calli Inks. Slight feather, but for most things, great. Now I can't see my guide sheet underneath though. UGH Do I need a light pad now?
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not sure if it is the same... the package looks a little different but here is the paper on amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Color-Laser-Paper-Plain/dp/B000H80CXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1403121747&sr=8-3&keywords=hp+paper
Thanks, Annie
That looks good, although I noticed Erica referred to it as 32 pounds, which equates to 120gsm (27 pounds = 100gsm); check out this conversion chart (http://www.redrivercatalog.com/infocenter/pounds-to-gsm-conversion-chart.html). I don't know enough about paper yet to confidently know how much of a difference that 20gsm will make. I should probs just try it out and see :)
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You guys! I bought a Rhodia dot pad! The difference is enormous from what I'd been using. Before, I had some very nice drawing paper that is just beautiful for broad nib work, taking the ink without bleeding or feathering, with exactly the right amount of tooth for a dip pen to flow smoothly. But any tooth at all it seems is too much for pointed pen stuff. Now that I've been using my Rhodia pad, I realize that I had developed a lousy technique on my other paper designed entirely to avoid snagging the pen. I've gone all the way back to the beginning exercises to relearn things that I can now do on smooth paper -- like upstrokes!
The dot pad is nice because I can see the tops and bottoms of my strokes without losing them in guidelines, but the dots (5 mm squares) are enough that I don't need to draw guidelines or use a lightbox. I do draw my slant lines, though. I can also use both sides of the paper, because even with heavy shades it doesn't bleed through.
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I pretty much only use Rhodia pads now, I've definitely been spoiled.
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I've seen some people use the papers with square lines. For those of you who do, do you still draw the angle lines and the x/y lines? Or do you use the pre-printed squares as a guide. If so, what's your formula?
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I've seen some people use the papers with square lines. For those of you who do, do you still draw the angle lines and the x/y lines? Or do you use the pre-printed squares as a guide. If so, what's your formula?
I use the squares (well, dots) as x/y lines, but I do draw the slants.
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Rhodia and Clairefontaine are just SO much nicer than anything else I've tried - excepting only art store bleedproof pads. I'd do all my practice on bleedproof pads if I thought I could get away with it. I completely recommend them for pointed pen - nothing will feather :)
I've just bought a package of the HP Premium ... but I'm not in love. Still, for $20AUD / 250 sheets, it's a lot cheaper than any of the above, so I'll push on!
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ah rhodia is the best paper. i like the dot grid because i can still align my writing, without getting distracted by the actual lines or boxes (like that of a grid pad). i sometimes draw slant lines, if necessary :)
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I love how the Rhodia grid paper a) is oh so wonderfully smooth and b) gives a structure to my letterforms (i.e within the box). To get the right ratio, I extend write over three squares and extend my ascenders and descenders halfway into the boxes above and below.
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I love how the Rhodia grid paper a) is oh so wonderfully smooth and b) gives a structure to my letterforms (i.e within the box). To get the right ratio, I extend write over three squares and extend my ascenders and descenders halfway into the boxes above and below.
Hi Kate, I'd like to figure out the slant on the grid so I don't have to draw lines and slants on my practice pads. Am trying to picture in my mind what you mean by you write over three squares. Do you keep each letter within a square?
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"Hi Kate, I'd like to figure out the slant on the grid so I don't have to draw lines and slants on my practice pads. Am trying to picture in my mind what you mean by you write over three squares. Do you keep each letter within a square?"
Sorry, that was the worst description ever! I've attached a quick (please excuse) sketch which hopefully makes more sense (although, I'm using strange materials and I'm questioning my methods).
I haven't been drawing the slants on Rhodia. I use it to focus on the shapes, and then I'll use the laser paper with grids underneath to refine with slant. I think it's probably a good idea to put the two together now that you mention it, but I've been lazy!
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I just found the HP premium LaserJet paper that Erica recommends on the Costco website for $11.99 per ream. The price includes shipping (not sure about outside the continental US)! Minimum purchase of 2 reams.
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Rhodia dot pads for practice! :)
In the Philippines, I buy Bevania white paper for drafts.
Hi @thedesignhobbyist, may I know where I can buy Bevania paper in Manila?
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I buy the spiral bound notebook/school paper every year in August when it goes on sale for dirt cheap. I can get it from 10 cents to $1/spiral depending on when in the back to school cycle I buy it. If you run your fingers over it, you can figure out which brands are smooth and won't snag. For practice paper, it's super cheap.
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For UK people, have I mentioned Rhino (http://www.rhinostationery.com/memo-pads/) yet? Based on my experience with a few sample sheets, this is a very good deal indeed.
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Thanks, AndyT. I hadn't seen Rhino mentioned. I'll check that out.
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I'm in Manila and I buy reams of PaperOne to practice on. It's also available in smaller packs. Both the 80gsm and 100gsm hold ink well :) I have yet to try the 70gsm.
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Rhodia dot pads for practice! :)
In the Philippines, I buy Bevania white paper for drafts.
Hi @thedesignhobbyist, may I know where I can buy Bevania paper in Manila?
Hi Cher! :) You can buy the bevania paper from any NBS. They're only available in packs of 10. I use the 80gsm paper and it's magical because you can actually see the guidelines underneath without the need for a light box.
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I just bought some of the HP Laser Jet today ... it has gone up $3 per ream since January! It's now 19.99! I think HP is on to us! >:(
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I really like the Rhodia pads but they're pricey per sheet as others have mentioned.
Now I'm using the Staples brand version of the HP Premium Choice Laser. It has the same specs (32lb, 98 brightness) but is a few $ cheaper.
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Attention all:
The HP laser jet paper is now $10.99 per ream, with minimum purchase of two reams.
http://www.costco.com/HP-Premium-Choice-Laser-Paper%2c-Letter%2c-Ultra-White%2c-32lb%2c-98-Bright%2c-500ct-HEW-113100.product.11131827.html
And the HP bright white ink jet paper is only $7.50 per ream with two ream purchase.
http://www.costco.com/HP-Bright-White-Inkjet-Paper%2c-Letter%2c-24lb%2c-97-Bright%2c-500ct-HEW-203000.product.11133446.html
Looks like now might be a good time to stock up!
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ooh, hot tip! thank you!
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Just received my first two reams of the HP Premium Choice Laser paper and WOW, I can see why Erica recommended it! It is so unbelievably smooth. Cannot wait to get practicing on this stuff!
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Erica, thanks for the tip about the HP laser paper!!! I was just about to buy another Rhodia pad for $9 (for what, 50ish sheets??) and remembered I had a Staples gift card to use, so it ended up being free. BOOM!
I came home and used it right away and I think it's just as good as rhodia, just doesn't have lines, grids, dots, whatever. But I ended up just using printed off grid-lines and a lightbox anyways, worked like a charm. At the rate I go through practice sheets, it's nice to have a full ream at my disposal!!
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Attention all:
The HP laser jet paper is now $10.99 per ream, with minimum purchase of two reams.
http://www.costco.com/HP-Premium-Choice-Laser-Paper%2c-Letter%2c-Ultra-White%2c-32lb%2c-98-Bright%2c-500ct-HEW-113100.product.11131827.html
And the HP bright white ink jet paper is only $7.50 per ream with two ream purchase.
http://www.costco.com/HP-Bright-White-Inkjet-Paper%2c-Letter%2c-24lb%2c-97-Bright%2c-500ct-HEW-203000.product.11133446.html
Looks like now might be a good time to stock up!
Megan, thankyou for the headsup! Have you used both of them? Any preference ?
Regards,
Afreen.
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Megan, thankyou for the headsup! Have you used both of them? Any preference ?
Regards,
Afreen.
Afreen, I have only used the Premium Choice Laser so far and I love it. I may try the other option at some point, but I'm far from being done with my two reams. :)
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Megan, thankyou for the headsup! Have you used both of them? Any preference ?
Regards,
Afreen.
Afreen, I have only used the Premium Choice Laser so far and I love it. I may try the other option at some point, but I'm far from being done with my two reams. :)
I got the Premium Choice Laser paper too :)
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Wowza!! I am super glad I found this thread!! I just read through 9 pages, LOL.
I got so many wonderful tips!! ;D
I just ordered a new lightbox from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J3NRAV2?psc=1 and I'm super excited to try it with the HP paper... and felt for cushion!! OMG mind-blown!! ;)
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!
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Wowza!! I am super glad I found this thread!! I just read through 9 pages, LOL.
I got so many wonderful tips!! ;D
I just ordered a new lightbox from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J3NRAV2?psc=1 and I'm super excited to try it with the HP paper... and felt for cushion!! OMG mind-blown!! ;)
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!
That's the lightbox i'm going to buy!! - it's so much more cheaper from the American amazon :( I like the fact thats it's so thin and won't get in the way!
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I'm not a huge fan of the HP Paper when using a Nikko G. The nib is frequently picking up paper fibers on downstrokes. After a week of frustration, I tried out the EF Principal and so far..it seems to be working well.
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Kayleen, I'm having the same issues with the Nikko G. What ink are you using?
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Seems like a lot of people had a great experience with the Rhodia pads! I use these regularly with my fountain pens and it's true that the paper is awesomely smooth.
I have one problem though - I can't see my guide sheet underneath clearly, and I don't have a lightbox. Do you have any other recommendations for a lightweight and more..."transparent" paper?
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I can't seem to find rhodia paper in my country :(
I've been using some paper produced by my country called "Sinar Dunia" Color paper.
I hope someone from the same country can provide some other papers for me.
Regards,
Chandra
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Seems like a lot of people had a great experience with the Rhodia pads! I use these regularly with my fountain pens and it's true that the paper is awesomely smooth.
I have one problem though - I can't see my guide sheet underneath clearly, and I don't have a lightbox. Do you have any other recommendations for a lightweight and more..."transparent" paper?
Unfortunately, I don't have a recommendation for a more transparent paper. I just bought my first pack of the HP paper Erica recommended and I am in love. It is quite thick, though. In one class I took, the suggestion was to use an ipad or iphone to light underneath the paper. It is a little tricky, but you can set it to work. I'm sure a flashlight would work as well. I am currently using a lightbox that my son was going to get rid of. I believe it came in one of those car sketch/tracing things from the toy store. It is by no means fancy, and it is quite thick, but it does the job.
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Do you have any other recommendations for a lightweight and more..."transparent" paper?
Tomoe River is quite transparent; also various airmail papers. Elco Atlantic Clipper is very good except for a couple of things: it's hard to find, and unless I'm missing something only seems to come in bubblegum pink and pine disinfectant green. :-\
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I have one problem though - I can't see my guide sheet underneath clearly, and I don't have a lightbox. Do you have any other recommendations for a lightweight and more..."transparent" paper?
I practice a lot on "bleedproof" paper - you can get this from almost any art store (the Canson brand is the best, but any will do). It is more or less what it says on the tag - even Pilot Parallel ink doesn't bleed on it, and I find that crap bleeds through everything. All the copperplate workshops I have been to have used it because it's thin enough to very easily see guidelines :)
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I'd like to throw my barnacle in after the pylon and agree with Moya regarding Bleedproof paper! My favourite is Frisk. Goldline layout paper is also good for practice and it's also transparent.
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Kayleen, I'm having the same issues with the Nikko G. What ink are you using?
I use sumi and also gouache.
I've been having better luck lately..I don't know if maybe my nib was just being difficult. I'm using mostly just the Leonardt EF Principal now and rarely have any issues with paper fibers.
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I've tried grid practice pads, Borden and Riley, Fabriano, and Rhodia so far. My favorite was the Rhodia, the first time I used it I fell in love, SO smooth! But I'll probably order some HP soon and give that a try since I'm burning through paper like crazy! :)
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Wowza!! I am super glad I found this thread!! I just read through 9 pages, LOL.
I got so many wonderful tips!! ;D
I just ordered a new lightbox from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J3NRAV2?psc=1 and I'm super excited to try it with the HP paper... and felt for cushion!! OMG mind-blown!! ;)
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!
That's the lightbox i'm going to buy!! - it's so much more cheaper from the American amazon :( I like the fact thats it's so thin and won't get in the way!
Wow. That is the best looking light box I've seen--that's not built into a desk. PLEASE give us a review once you have used it!
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Has anyone tried printing guidelines on HP Laser Premium Choice paper with an inkjet printer rather than a laser? I only have an HP Photosmart inkjet printer and don't have a light box (yet!)
Thanks!
Yes, I have printed guidelines on hp premium with my inkjet printer - works fine. I prefer guidelines printed on practice paper rather then behind on a lightbox. I avoid my lightbox when practicing - it's a wonderful thing yet bothersome in some ways. Mine is a good one - Art O Graph - but, alas, I don't have dedicated space or studio to keep it set up. Oh, I also once tried the less expensive hp paper the same way, but wasn't at all as good as the premium laser. Otherwise, my go-to favorite is Rhodia with or without lines/dots.
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Wowza!! I am super glad I found this thread!! I just read through 9 pages, LOL.
I got so many wonderful tips!! ;D
I just ordered a new lightbox from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J3NRAV2?psc=1 and I'm super excited to try it with the HP paper... and felt for cushion!! OMG mind-blown!! ;)
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!
That's the lightbox i'm going to buy!! - it's so much more cheaper from the American amazon :( I like the fact thats it's so thin and won't get in the way!
Wow. That is the best looking light box I've seen--that's not built into a desk. PLEASE give us a review once you have used it!
HUION L4S REVIEW ;)
I have used the Huion L4S light box a few times now and really like it! It's so light and thin, I usually put it away in a desk drawer when I'm not using it. I plug it into the wall using an old cell phone charger that I no longer use for my cell phone. I find that works best for me, though you can also plug it in to your computer/laptop etc for power. I really like that you can adjust the brightness, which is great and comes in handy with different papers. I give it 2 thumbs up. ;) :)
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Thanks, Estrella. I wonder if vendors get a bump in sales after we find out about their products. ;)
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I'm heading back through this thread now for some UK suggestions (I know Andy and Scarlet Blue have had some good ones that I need to write down somewhere!). I've been trying to find a good practice paper here, and originally went for the 100gsm HP Colour Laser Paper available on Amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000H80CXA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B000H80CXA&linkCode=as2&tag=houofgoa-21), but the ink bleeds badly. I haven't tried the 120gsm version yet, but I do wonder if the HP ranges here in the UK are significantly different from the US.
Also, thanks Estrella for that review of the Huion L4S light box. What a brilliant-looking little tool.
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I picked up that Canson Bleedproof paper today, or rather I picked up the marker pad which from what I can tell is either really close or pretty much equivalent to the bleedproof. My craft store didn't have bleedproof at all, just the marker.
Man. Definitely my new favorite paper to practice on, and possibly a new favorite for drawing too which means I may end up cutting it up and using it for my stationary sheets. It's too bad it's like impossible to print on, I'd be wanting to make notebooks with graph paper out of this. Although I suppose I could just constantly keep a guide sheet with whatever notebook... oh and then I could actually have a split journal and sketchbook... huh. I may have to mess around with this.
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I have one problem though - I can't see my guide sheet underneath clearly, and I don't have a lightbox. Do you have any other recommendations for a lightweight and more..."transparent" paper?
I would like to add to the list the Onion Skin paper from The Paper Mill Store, if you're in the US.
I've been using almost daily it for the past month for Italic calligraphy study. It is lightweight, transparent, as smooth as Rhodia paper, and has absolutely no feathering or bleed-through with Pilot Parallels. At $25 for 500 sheets, it is cheaper than the Canson and Tomoe River papers, too.
I can't speak to how it behaves with pointed pen as Italic is the first hand I'm trying to learn. However, it does behave well with my EF nibbed fountain pens with various fountain inks (Noodler's, Pelikan, etc.), and with a dip pen with a vintage school nib and vintage India style ink. It's very smooth, so I've never had the pens catch or take on fibers.
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I have one problem though - I can't see my guide sheet underneath clearly, and I don't have a lightbox. Do you have any other recommendations for a lightweight and more..."transparent" paper?
I would like to add to the list the Onion Skin paper from The Paper Mill Store, if you're in the US.
I've been using almost daily it for the past month for Italic calligraphy study. It is lightweight, transparent, as smooth as Rhodia paper, and has absolutely no feathering or bleed-through with Pilot Parallels. At $25 for 500 sheets, it is cheaper than the Canson and Tomoe River papers, too.
I can't speak to how it behaves with pointed pen as Italic is the first hand I'm trying to learn. However, it does behave well with my EF nibbed fountain pens with various fountain inks (Noodler's, Pelikan, etc.), and with a dip pen with a vintage school nib and vintage India style ink. It's very smooth, so I've never had the pens catch or take on fibers.
I can verify pointed pen on this. Works like a charm. There is no snagging or bleed through at all. This is my daily practice sheet for copperplate, using even crow quills and Esterbrook 354's and 355's.
The only issue with this is if you use iron gall ink. Again, the Iron gall that i use is Home made and not the commercial stuff, so I would not know how that behaves. The gall ink takes ages to darken into black. It remains a light grey for a very long time. Sometimes even 2 to 3 days.
Though I got the onion skin from US, the brand name was "SCHOELLERSHAMMER."
http://www.schoellershammer.de/cms/front_content.php?idcat=26
This is the company in Germany that makes it. Perhaps the europeans can find some source locally.
I got Estefa hooked on this paper and hopefully she will find a local European source. :)
-Prasad
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Gosh, it's great to know about the Paper Mill Store and their onion skin paper. I got some vintage onion skin from eBay, Plover onion skin with a high cotton content. I love the stuff--but it's not what I'd call smooth, not like Rhoda. I'll have to try the PMStore's version. Sounds like wonderful paper.
Prasad, your ink sounds like the REAL, real deal, to me. That magic of sheer gray to opaque black is just the bees knees.
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I'll also add that I love the Canson Marker paper - it's also see-through enough without a lightpad. I have been looking for another option since I've been going through more paper lately. I'm going to give the HP Premium Choice LaserJet Paper a shot.
Thanks everyone!
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I'll also add that I love the Canson Marker paper - it's also see-through enough without a lightpad. I have been looking for another option since I've been going through more paper lately. I'm going to give the HP Premium Choice LaserJet Paper a shot.
Thanks everyone!
Elaina, if you want sheerness, don't go the HP route! It's as smooth as satin and receives a pointed pen with glee, but is VERY opaque unless you're using a light pad.
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I have a new fav. I have been practicing italics at work (sssh- don't tell!), and I find the Skilcraft pads to be decent paper for fountain pen ink. Much better than the Staples Sustainable Earth pads I bought.
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Thanks so much for your help and opinions everyone, I'm new to the Flourish Forum so it's great to see everyone's opinions about their favorite papers!
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A note for anybody buying the HP Premium Choice laser paper:
To me, the product photos online make the bottom of the packaging look pink. I went to buy some of it today. I found the pink package in the store, but it said 'multi-purpose paper' on it, and the specs were different. When I found the correct stuff, the bottom of the package looked red. I'm a bit colorblind, but this was a significantly different color from the one online. So, double check to make sure you get the right stuff.
I'm looking forward to trying it. I've been using a Canson Pro Layout Extreme Mega Super marker pad, but I've gone through it quickly, so it carries an Extreme Mega Super price.
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
I also like
HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) - Not quite as smooth but seems to work fine without snagging or skips.
Would like to hear if other's enjoy any others!
I love LOVE LOVE the premium choice laser. Per your recommendation I bought a ream and it is my favorite!
One of my penpals asked me where I found such smooth paper!
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originally went for the 100gsm HP Colour Laser Paper available on Amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000H80CXA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B000H80CXA&linkCode=as2&tag=houofgoa-21), but the ink bleeds badly. I haven't tried the 120gsm version yet, but I do wonder if the HP ranges here in the UK are significantly different from the US.
I wonder if it needs to be specifically the "Premium Choice" paper; maybe the standard "Colour Laser" stuff is lower quality? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-Paper-lb-Bright-White/dp/B000099O2W/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1425229896&sr=8-24&keywords=hp+premium+choice+paper (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-Paper-lb-Bright-White/dp/B000099O2W/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1425229896&sr=8-24&keywords=hp+premium+choice+paper)
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hi there!
I just posted this on the graph paper subject, but it applies here, too. these pads from Japan have an angelic finish that I am addicted to. really smooth, available in many sized pads lined,McGrath and plain. super clean black poly cover make them great for withstanding travel.
http://www.jetpens.com/Maruman-Mnemosyne-Notebooks/ct/765
enjoy! 😊
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hi there!
I just posted this on the graph paper subject, but it applies here, too. these pads from Japan have an angelic finish that I am addicted to. really smooth, available in many sized pads lined,McGrath and plain. super clean black poly cover make them great for withstanding travel.
http://www.jetpens.com/Maruman-Mnemosyne-Notebooks/ct/765
enjoy! 😊
I'm a big fan of the Mnemosyne notebooks! And the best part is that it's accessible here in Singapore so I don't need to purchase them online.
I also like using the Maruman Report Pad for practice. And I have a couple of Muji dotted notebooks handy for when I'm out of the house.
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Oh yes: someone sent me a tiny Mnemosyne pad to try, and it's excellent. Were the brand easier to come by here it would be on my shortlist.
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Andy, I had the same problem; I bought one from Japan on Amazon, just on a whim and love it, but it was expensive! However, this shop just started stocking them! http://www.thejournalshop.com/ (http://www.thejournalshop.com/)
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Thanks Andrew. I was aware of the Journal Shop, but not before I'd stocked up on Rhodia, Clairefontaine and Elco ... it'll be a while before I can justify any further paper purchases. :)
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I've been searching for a while now for a nice quality paper that is thin enough to see guidelines through without a lightbox. I had a wonderful class at the weekend and discovered Conqueror High White Wove 100gsm. Buttery smooth!
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I went to Michael's today and saw a Canson XL Marker Paper pad for the first time ever "out in the wild!" I love Canson XL's other offerings, and I had previously thought that a marker variety didn't exist. BUT IT DOES!!!
In comparing it to the Canson Pro Layout Marker paper, I can't say that I think it's any different (my inexperience may be showing here). Same semi-transparency, same texture, same reaction to ink, same specs. The biggest difference is you get much more bang for your buck - the pads are only ~$2 different, but you get 50 more sheets on the XL series.
(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1086.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj450%2Fdreamingincolor1%2F3d98aa6b-b40e-4008-9282-06941b97d754.jpg&hash=22ce264048050a21a714816c89fa8a98)
That all being said - I'm a total HP Premium Laser convert that shouldn't go into Michael's alone. I think I also bought at least $25 worth of washi and fabric tape...don't tell my husband. :o
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Haha I LOVE that Canson marker paper; however, has anyone else experienced this - walnut ink takes FOREVER to dry on it, like days.
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Almost anything will take longer to dry on marker paper, a side effect of the bleed proof properties. Although not days o_0
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I went to Michael's today and saw a Canson XL Marker Paper pad for the first time ever "out in the wild!" I love Canson XL's other offerings, and I had previously thought that a marker variety didn't exist. BUT IT DOES!!!
In comparing it to the Canson Pro Layout Marker paper, I can't say that I think it's any different (my inexperience may be showing here). Same semi-transparency, same texture, same reaction to ink, same specs. The biggest difference is you get much more bang for your buck - the pads are only ~$2 different, but you get 50 more sheets on the XL series.
The regular Canson Marker paper was my go-to for years until the XL variety came out last year - I get mine from Michael's with their 40% off coupon, woot woot 8)
And I agree with Heebs, it shouldn't take days to dry... :o
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Good to know cansons marker paper comes in a bigger pad!! And a better buy for sure.
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The regular Canson Marker paper was my go-to for years until the XL variety came out last year - I get mine from Michael's with their 40% off coupon, woot woot 8)
And I agree with Heebs, it shouldn't take days to dry... :o
Hmm :/ well at least I know it's not normal. Maybe it's just my walnut ink.
Good tip on getting it at Michael's though. I have one near me and don't utilize it + coupons as much as I should!
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I thought I did something wrong - but same here... walnut ink takes FOR EVER to dry on my Canson Marker Paper. :(
Though I do love how well it writes. ;)
Not good if I'm planning on scanning, though :-\
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The drying speed on marker/layout paper is a complete pain. I haven't tried pointed pen on any yet but I use Copic pads for brush pen practice and Pentel Colour brushes take so long to dry that I end up accidentally smudging every time.
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Hey everyone, this site is having a sale on those of you who are hooked on the HP Premium Choice Laser Paper - only $9.98 per ream! But shipping is expensive ($7.95 really defeats the purpose of the sale...) so you should get at least 5 to make use of free shipping (>$45)... 2,500 sheets to last for awhile!
http://www.officesupply.com/office-supplies/paper-pads/printer-paper/laser-copier-paper/premium-choice-laser-paper/p20786.html?ref=pla&cid=ad-pla-non-brand&adpos=1o1&creative=49350921753&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=Cj0KEQjwl_6oBRDHxNGz6ueJufMBEiQAvm_k_qehQ_sGVRAvvcj6pn12NQHoJorcmOd-1ZkLeNUIdNMaAi0x8P8HAQ
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Hi all,
I found this good price for HP Premium Choice Laser paper ($11.99/ream - must buy 2 reams)through Costco for any of you who have memberships. The membership fee is $55.00 for a year including family members.
http://www.costco.com//.product.11131827.html?utm_campaign=bazaarvoice&utm_medium=SearchVoice&utm_source=RatingsAndReviews&utm_content=Default
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Hi all,
I found this good price for HP Premium Choice Laser paper ($11.99/ream - must buy 2 reams)through Costco for any of you who have memberships. The membership fee is $55.00 for a year including family members.
http://www.costco.com//.product.11131827.html?utm_campaign=bazaarvoice&utm_medium=SearchVoice&utm_source=RatingsAndReviews&utm_content=Default
Hey Charys,
If you go to the my post on the previous page and click the link, you'll find a cheaper option for $10.88 and free shipping above $45. They used to have it on sale for about a dollar cheaper but they've raised the price since that post. :)
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Thanks so much, Fay. I had seen that and was thinking about anyone who might want fewer reams. But yes, that is a great price!
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
I also like
HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) - Not quite as smooth but seems to work fine without snagging or skips.
Would like to hear if other's enjoy any others!
Thank you so much for posting this. I've been using Rhodia Dot pads for practice but because of the cost I'm not practicing as much as I'd like and when I do I'm cramming every sheet (front and back) with as much writing as I can. Not the best set up for practice. I've also used tracing paper but I hate how the ink just pools up on it. This is a great solution for my desire to practice more often! I knew joining this forum was a good move!
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Rhodia dot pads for practice! :)
In the Philippines, I buy Bevania white paper for drafts.
Hi thedesignhobbyist,
Where do you purchase your Bevania white paper? :)
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My favorites are the Muji dotted notebooks and Rhodia Dot Pads. We also have local sellers here in Manila whose products are really great! Calligrapads are nice and smooth, thefozzybook's The Notebook of Infinite Patience has nice guidelines (?) for practice too, and I love the ivory paper. Will also try Swirls and Strokes' dotted pads soon :)
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Is it totally mad that I want to travel to Manila just to buy Calligrapads and Fozzy's notebook? It's just so hard for shipping ... and they look so nice ... and I need a holiday ...
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I love muji notebooks and calligrapads too! I love the paper! 😍
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Is it totally mad that I want to travel to Manila just to buy Calligrapads and Fozzy's notebook? It's just so hard for shipping ... and they look so nice ... and I need a holiday ...
It's a completely valid idea, Moya! I was going to gush about the Calligrapads too. I haven't tried the HP paper, but Gail's pads are extremely smooth. Calligrapad + vermillion sumi = heaven.
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hi there!
I just posted this on the graph paper subject, but it applies here, too. these pads from Japan have an angelic finish that I am addicted to. really smooth, available in many sized pads lined,McGrath and plain. super clean black poly cover make them great for withstanding travel.
http://www.jetpens.com/Maruman-Mnemosyne-Notebooks/ct/765
enjoy! 😊
I'm a big fan of the Mnemosyne notebooks! And the best part is that it's accessible here in Singapore so I don't need to purchase them online.
I also like using the Maruman Report Pad for practice. And I have a couple of Muji dotted notebooks handy for when I'm out of the house.
Hey lemon passion,
Where did you purchase Mnemosyne notepads in SG? And do you mind sharing what normal practise paper do you recommend that can be purchased in SG? Have you tried paper one and fabriano papers before?
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Hey lemon passion,
Where did you purchase Mnemosyne notepads in SG? And do you mind sharing what normal practise paper do you recommend that can be purchased in SG? Have you tried paper one and fabriano papers before?
Hey Sanbearz. Stationery Superstore and Kinokuniya Taka stock Mnemosyne pads. I've used PaperOne Digital before but not Fabriano. I quite like the smoothness of Digital. Nowadays, I use Rhodia pads for practice (available in Overjoyed).
During our last holiday in the Philippines, I tried to get as many pads as I possibly can (Fozzy's, Calligrapads, Swirls & Strokes' and Scribble Pads). I think I may have a problem.
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Just a bit of silliness this: Bureau Direct have recently launched a dedicated Rhodia site which includes a sort of personality test aimed at establishing which notebook is just right for you. Apparently in my case it's a #14 graph pad, which is way off beam. Anyway, for those with a taste for this sort of thing, here it is (http://www.myrhodia.com/whats-your-rhodia/). It'll only take you a minute, if that. :)
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I'm a no.18 lined, Andy, apparently... :P
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Ha! Im a perfectionist with an adventurous streak! Rhodia No 8 lined orange pad.
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Just a bit of silliness this: Bureau Direct have recently launched a dedicated Rhodia site which includes a sort of personality test aimed at establishing which notebook is just right for you. Apparently in my case it's a #14 graph pad, which is way off beam. Anyway, for those with a taste for this sort of thing, here it is (http://www.myrhodia.com/whats-your-rhodia/). It'll only take you a minute, if that. :)
That was fun! Thanks Andy :)
Apparently, I'm a No. 12 Lined Black Pad. :3
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These little personality tests as promotional tools are cropping up everywhere and they're fun! According to this one, I'm "…A DREAMER WITH AN ADVENTUROUS STREAK AND NEED A NOTEPAD THAT WILL FIT WITH YOUR TECHNICAL DEMANDS…" and they recommend the Rhoda Number 19 Grid Orange Note Pad.
It's not what I would have chosen but I wonder what I could learn from working on a grid.
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Grid paper works nicely for black letter, Debbie, so long as the lines coincide with your chosen x-height. Probably the same goes for other upright hands ... but for slanty joined-up writing it's not much help!
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I just want to share my experience with using a piece of felt under my paper... AMAZING!! I can't believe how smooth my calligraphy is now that I know about this little tip. Initially I thought my nib would poke right through but it didn't. Ye of little faith. Going forward I will not practice calligraphy without using felt. Thanks Erica!
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Hmm... my very favorite paper I use is Marker Paper. It doesn't bleed for most inks I use, it's smooth but not glossy, and it's fairly thin so tracing your ruling is possible onto other pages is possible.
Depending on brand... it usually hovers around $15 for around 100 pages.
I also use generic printer paper and notebook paper... but only with certain inks like gouache, and acrylic.
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I'm heading back through this thread now for some UK suggestions (I know Andy and Scarlet Blue have had some good ones that I need to write down somewhere!). I've been trying to find a good practice paper here, and originally went for the 100gsm HP Colour Laser Paper available on Amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000H80CXA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B000H80CXA&linkCode=as2&tag=houofgoa-21), but the ink bleeds badly. I haven't tried the 120gsm version yet, but I do wonder if the HP ranges here in the UK are significantly different from the US.
I'm also in the UK and got hold of some of the 120gsm HP paper http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000SHUCIU/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000SHUCIU/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1) and was very excited..
but no, bleeding is terrible with both higgins eternal and pelikan inks :(
I guess the UK products must be very different to the US products.
Olive & Reid have you found any alternatives available in the UK? So far Rhodia pads are the only option for me, but I am getting through lots of paper could do with a more economical otption!
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Hello Ellie. :)
You might like to have a look at the memo pads from Rhino (http://www.rhinostationery.com/). I've only had a couple of sheets to try, but the paper was promising. Also, old paper for dot matrix printers is pretty good - you know, the stuff which is about a mile long, concertina folded with perforations up the edges. Not sure where you'd get it unless you go hunting on Ebay, but it ought to be dirt cheap.
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Ellie,
Conqueror paper is good: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000I2BZ2W (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000I2BZ2W) It doesn't have a smooth sheen like Rhodia, but writes well and doesn't feather (although I've only really used it with Iron Gall).
What I would absolutely love is a ream of Conqueror paper the same as they use in these envelopes: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CA8EHA4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CA8EHA4). That stuff is fantastic!
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thanks for the suggestions. I remembered I had a few sheets of Conqueror Wove and tried that out, seems pretty good. Not a lot cheaper than Rhodia pads but really nice quality and no hint of feathering. I will also look into Rhino pads too. Thanks!
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Word has it that the wrong side of Conqueror Laid might be a better bet than the Wove just lately - this from someone who is very picky indeed. Not what I'd call an economy option, but I certainly intend to try it.
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Interesting! Well if you come across any that matches their envelopes let me know! That stuff is nice and smooth and gives beautiful hairlines.
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I assume the main difference between the envelopes and paper is the weight: 120 and 100gsm respectively. Most of the British Spencerian Study Group folk including Brian Walker, have stuck with High White Wove (despite mutterings about it having changed somewhat recently - hence the experiments with the laid paper). If there's anything better for very sharp nibs I hope someone will be kind enough to give me a tip off. :)
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The problem I have is that the paper I like to practice on and the paper I would write finished calligraphy on are very different.
For example, I love writing on Rhodia but generally do finished calligraphy on BFK Rives. But practicing on Rhodia and then writing on Rives just feels too weird.
For me, practicing on nice smooth papers I like doesn't seem like real practice.
W
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First, I wanted to say thank you for all the great recommendations! I just wanted to let everyone know that the HP Premium Choice Laserjet 32-lb Paper is $10.88 but there is a $1.50 coupon which brought it to $9.36 per ream. And if you're a Prime member, it's free shipping! Gotta love Prime!
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I just wanted to mention, in case anyone is interested, I had a set of 12 mead college ruled composition books that I ordered from Amazon a while back. I was using one to practice letter forms. I used a protractor and ruler to mark the vertical line angle with a hard pencil and was using a micron pen to practice. I was just messing around and tried using my nib and ink and it actually looks pretty good. It doesn't bleed at all and there's just some slight feathering but you'd have to look really close to see it. If you don't mind writing in a notebook this would be a good way to practice. They are $25.64 on Amazon. Search for 12 PACK-Of Mead Square Deal Composition Book, 100-Count, College Ruled, Black Marble (09932).
Thanks!
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
I also like
HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) - Not quite as smooth but seems to work fine without snagging or skips.
Would like to hear if other's enjoy any others!
If anyone is looking for the HP premium choice, I bought a ream at Staples today. I had gone online and checked Office Depot too. Their price was 13.99. Staples was 20.00! BUT Staples did price match. Thanks so much for putting me on to this paper! Already gone thru 10 sheets of practice today!!
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Yes, I've used it and it's a worthwhile upgrade. It's just a touch too smooth for my taste, which means normal people will love it. :)
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i'm using corona 80gsm. the one labeled "laser guaranteed". it's hard to find because most of the corona paper are subs. 16. and they are very thin.
i've tried using paper one but the walnut ink i have bleeds on it. :(
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
I also like
HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) - Not quite as smooth but seems to work fine without snagging or skips.
Would like to hear if other's enjoy any others!
may i know how many gsm are they ? :)
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The HP Premium Choice Laser is 47.3 gsm.
And the HP Bright White Inkjet is 35.5 gsm.
:)
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Hi guys, just curious did anyone tried using tracing paper? O.o?
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Hi guys, just curious did anyone tried using tracing paper? O.o?
I use tracing paper occasionally. :)
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Its nice because it is quite smooth and transparent but it takes a long time to dry.
For practice it is fine but not so good for others coz long exposure to humidity might make the paper wrinkly.
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Its nice because it is quite smooth and transparent but it takes a long time to dry.
For practice it is fine but not so good for others coz long exposure to humidity might make the paper wrinkly.
Once it dries, can you use the other side?
I can't really see the guide lines through a normal A4 paper :(
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You can certainly use the other side, but might be hard as due to the transparency nature of the paper, you can see the writings that you had done on the other side hence blocking the guidelines.
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Hi guys, just curious did anyone tried using tracing paper? O.o?
I use tracing paper occasionally. :)
I've tried the tracing paper too, but it's a bit hard to dry off fast.
In Malaysia, Clairefontaine is almost too expensive to write on. It costed RM15/10pcs of A5 sizes so I tried out a Thailand paper product called Double A and it's wonderful. 80gsm is good enough as it won't bleed :)
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I'm from the Philippines and for practice, I usually get myself a ream of 100gsm bond paper from the bookstore (more or less $1.5) or I use dotted MUJI notebooks. Rhodia too is a relatively cheap and good option!
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You. Guys.
I got this paper for $0.99 at Target this week and I think it is amazing. Somebody go buy a pack and tell me if I'm crazy.
Transparent enough to easily see grid lines through, tiny bit of tooth, barely any bleeding, passed the drag test (big splotches at the bottom) and a gushing 6mm Pilot Parallel full of fountain pen ink and a Speedball C-1 full of super thin watercolor didn't wreck it! This is my new jam. All the blotchy parts are just my screwups, not bleeding ink. You can see a tiny bit of feathering maybe on the top of the watercolor and sumi, but that might have just been pen drag.
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This is a very interesting topic, thank you all for your great suggestions!
FWIW, I practice on 50gsm Clairfontaine Smart Print Paper (http://www.clairefontaine.eu/Bas-grammage-28-01).
Pros:
- Takes ink very well, no feathering that I can detect. Just the slightest amount of bleedthrough, but only with really big ink blobs.
- Plenty of seethrough. It's basically like you're writing on the guide sheet underneath. This perfectly fits the way I like to practice.
- Strong and stable. So far I have yet to pick up fibers with my Perry 120EF and Blanzy-Poure 2552 nibs.
- Reasonaby smooth. Certainly smooth enough for my current needs. Smoother papers do exist though.
- Relatively cheap at around €5,50 a ream.
Cons:
- Seethrough makes sure you see your work back on the flip side. Sometimes I also rotate the paper to minimise the distraction, but when I use the back side it's mostly just for doodling, swinging off flourishes etc.
Not sure about US availability (probably limited), but this paper might be an option for European members who like to practice with a guide sheet and no light box.
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So many new suggestions! I'm usually a fan of HP Premium Paper, Rhodia pads, and Canson Marker Paper. They're oh so smooth!
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Is there any good A4 paper for practicing which can also be put in a printer in order to print various worksheets? Somethng which I can get hold here in the UK I mean.
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@albscribe, though perhaps a bit pricey in the UK, Clairefontaine Smart Print Paper should do the trick.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Clairfontaine-Smart-Print-1929C-Sheets/dp/B000KJP2UE
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Alexander, it looks like that is the best paper that i will be able to get here in the UK which is reasonably priced as well. I assume no issues with bleeding or feathering?
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@albscribe this Navigator paper works pretty well as a practise paper for a decent price. Hope this helps!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000J6BMI4
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@albscribe, it takes ink very well. See also http://theflourishforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=4997.0.
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Hi guys, just curious did anyone tried using tracing paper? O.o?
I use tracing paper occasionally. :)
I've tried the tracing paper too, but it's a bit hard to dry off fast.
In Malaysia, Clairefontaine is almost too expensive to write on. It costed RM15/10pcs of A5 sizes so I tried out a Thailand paper product called Double A and it's wonderful. 80gsm is good enough as it won't bleed :)
Hi @cattyrawrs, just wondering if the Double A papers are 'transparent' enough to use without a light box? I've tried Aria's 80gsm papers and they bleed on sumi ink.
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Hi guys, just curious did anyone tried using tracing paper? O.o?
I use tracing paper occasionally. :)
I've tried the tracing paper too, but it's a bit hard to dry off fast.
In Malaysia, Clairefontaine is almost too expensive to write on. It costed RM15/10pcs of A5 sizes so I tried out a Thailand paper product called Double A and it's wonderful. 80gsm is good enough as it won't bleed :)
Hi @cattyrawrs, just wondering if the Double A papers are 'transparent' enough to use without a light box? I've tried Aria's 80gsm papers and they bleed on sumi ink.
dear @Cherylb5 I believe it's not as transparent as the other papers to be used without a light box as double A papers are quite thick to be sure of. Still will recommend to go with lightboxes :)
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Hi guys, just curious did anyone tried using tracing paper? O.o?
I use tracing paper occasionally. :)
Thank you for your suggestions. Recently, I've been looking for tracing paper to practice too!
I've tried the tracing paper too, but it's a bit hard to dry off fast.
In Malaysia, Clairefontaine is almost too expensive to write on. It costed RM15/10pcs of A5 sizes so I tried out a Thailand paper product called Double A and it's wonderful. 80gsm is good enough as it won't bleed :)
Hi @cattyrawrs, just wondering if the Double A papers are 'transparent' enough to use without a light box? I've tried Aria's 80gsm papers and they bleed on sumi ink.
dear @Cherylb5 I believe it's not as transparent as the other papers to be used without a light box as double A papers are quite thick to be sure of. Still will recommend to go with lightboxes :)
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My favorite paper of all time is unquestionably Tomoe River A4; I just can't see wasting it for practicing. For practice, I either use a Rhodia A4 No.19 Dot Pad w/Dot Grid or else a Maruman Mnemosyne N187A A4 Notepad w/5 mm Grid. Although neither of the latter is cheap, they're still worth every nickel.
K
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I like the Tomoe River paper as well. It does have a weird powdery feel to it but one that I like! ;D
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
Erica,
I don't know if you're aware of this by now, but the HP Premium Choice can be purchased for around $10/ream. I just ordered 5 reams of it for around $52, shipped to my doorstep:
https://www.officesupply.com/office-supplies/paper-pads/printer-paper/laser-copier-paper/international-paper-premium-choice-laser-paper/p20786.html
K
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Just wanted to put this here in case you aren't watching the tutorials but wondered! :D
HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)
Erica,
I don't know if you're aware of this by now, but the HP Premium Choice can be purchased for around $10/ream. I just ordered 5 reams of it for around $52, shipped to my doorstep:
https://www.officesupply.com/office-supplies/paper-pads/printer-paper/laser-copier-paper/international-paper-premium-choice-laser-paper/p20786.html
K
In canada, Staples has this online and in store as well. I haven't tried it yet but it will likely be my next paper order. If it really is good I will probably order a box of it and use it in my printers as well.
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I've tried the 32 lbs HP Premium Choice Laser Jet Paper and I love it! It is very smooth, bright white and won't bleed or blot. Because I am a beginner, it helps to have sheets that I can run through the printer for practice.
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I recently ordered a bunch of the Life Stationery Onionskin paper and envelopes. They're really top notch. The paper has been awesome for practice and I love that the envelopes have a strip that you peel off of the adhesive to seal them. Jetpens.com offers both, as does Nanimipaper.com, although you can get them quite a bit cheaper if you buy them directly from a vendor in Japan.
Here they are on Jetpens.com:
http://www.jetpens.com/Life-Airmail-Letter-Pad-Blank-50-Sheets/pd/13883
http://www.jetpens.com/Life-One-Touch-Airmail-Envelopes-Western-No.-6-Pack-of-10/pd/13884
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K
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Hi,
Just to add.
If you are in India and looking for a *cheap / economic* practice paper, then PaperOne A4 Printing Paper 500 Sheets(100 Gsm) is the best.
I do most of my Calligraphy work on it.
You can order it online from Amazon India . http://www.amazon.in/PaperOne-A4-Printing-Paper-Sheets/dp/B01LZFABF9/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1485324991&sr=8-4&keywords=paper+one+100+gsm
Regards
Aman
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Hi,
Just to add.
If you are in India and looking for a *cheap / economic* practice paper, then PaperOne A4 Printing Paper 500 Sheets(100 Gsm) is the best.
I do most of my Calligraphy work on it.
You can order it online from Amazon India . http://www.amazon.in/PaperOne-A4-Printing-Paper-Sheets/dp/B01LZFABF9/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1485324991&sr=8-4&keywords=paper+one+100+gsm
Regards
Aman
Hi Aman,
I've tried on Paperone 100GSM however my nib will collect paper fiber does it happen to you?
Best Regards,
Eleen
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Hello @Eleen
Good Morning,
Nope, paper is just working fine for me, I have used Pilot Parallel pens and dip pens on it,, and no complains so far. :)
Regards
Aman
Hi,
Just to add.
If you are in India and looking for a *cheap / economic* practice paper, then PaperOne A4 Printing Paper 500 Sheets(100 Gsm) is the best.
I do most of my Calligraphy work on it.
You can order it online from Amazon India . http://www.amazon.in/PaperOne-A4-Printing-Paper-Sheets/dp/B01LZFABF9/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1485324991&sr=8-4&keywords=paper+one+100+gsm
Regards
Aman
Hi Aman,
I've tried on Paperone 100GSM however my nib will collect paper fiber does it happen to you?
Best Regards,
Eleen
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I know that lots use the HP premier choice paper, but the general principle seems that the UK version is different to the American one.
What practice paper are the UK members now buying,
Many thanks my friends :)
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My favourite practice paper for when I want to print guide sheets on them is the Clairfontaine ClairMail Smart Print Paper 60gr. It is great to use with my inkjet printer and is smooth enough for pointed pen calligraphy.
I also really like the Canson XL Marker paper, as it is transparent enough to put a guide sheet beneath it and it is also super smooth. I tried to print guide sheets on them, but the ink from my printer staid wet.
And I also use the Rhodia DotPads.
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For Australians looking for practice paper (oh look 'Made in Germany' so maybe in Europe too :-) )
I couldn't find the HP paper here in Perth but can get this UPM Digi laser paper that works well. It's 120gsm. I looked online and see there's a 100gsm available as well but I haven't tried that one yet.
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I have just started with 3 notebooks worth of Seyes ruled Claire Fontaine. Definitely a good decision.
My improvement had stalled a bit. The paper I was using was feathering a bit and it was hard to judge the quality of my thin lines. I am also starting to see some significant improvements in letter shape, spacing and consistency again. It's going to be a while still before my shading improves. I tend to be too heavy and shift my weight too fast but I am seeing daily improvement again. The better quality paper and seyes ruling are helping to give me a better sense of what I am trying to achieve.
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Strathmore Writing Pad and Calligraphy paper are excellent papers for me. However, it is a bit pricey via Amazon. Any other alternative?
I have tried HP Premium Copy Paper ... not impressive. Good for practice but does not give you the feeling of being loved.
Clarifontaine and Rhodia are good alternative ...pricey as is.
Thank you in advance for your kind suggestions.
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I'm using Fabriano Ecoqua ($3 for a pad of 40 sheets) and Tomoe River ($10 for 100 sheets). I love Fabriano Ecoqua, it's very smooth, works well with Leonardt Principal and Sumi ink.
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I bought HP Premium Choice Laserjet paper from Amazon just now. They sell it at $9.15 per ream with $2 coupon, so just $7.15! ;D
https://www.amazon.com/HP-Premium-Choice-Laserjet-Letter/dp/B000099O2W
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My favourite practice paper is Canon Top Colour which I find is superior to the HP paper. Also, it comes in 100, 120 160 gsm weight. Here in New Zealand it is about NZ$16 a 500 sheet ream (which I guess is about US$20). I am not sure of it's availability in other countries.
It has a reasonably smooth surface, but still takes most inks well without feathering or bleeding.
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Sorry about mistake in last post----$16 NZ is about $10 US (not $20).
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if you need real cheap paper and the best paper to practice... here it is.
i also heard if made from brazil, they have the same quality.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/35430317634_f237441300_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VYRD4q)
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A bit pointless me recommending this as such, but I just have to share with folk who will appreciate...
At the weekend I had to pick up what is left of my dad's old stuff from his house as it is being sold (He died ten years ago and my stepmother is going into a care home, so I got the call and had to go to pick up everything that kind relatives packed up ready for me). When I got it home, amongst the bits and pieces... a 1980s' electric typewriter, with spare ribbons, etc and a whole massive bag of 1970s/80s typing paper, including some Woolworth's 'Typing Paper' ad 'Victor Typing Bond'. Am finding it extremely ink pen friendly for both FPs and dip pens! Maybe because in the 70s there still were lots of people using ink..?
As it's thin, it's perfect practice paper. No feathering at all and very easy to see guidelines through. I am determined to use it all!
I am guessing that as typing paper was often lightweight, it may be a bit different to many modern copier papers? Totally wasn't expecting to find this amongst dad's stuff. But I will use it, as it will save my Rhodia and Clairefontaine and it is perfect for practice that only I will ever see.
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Hi Penda,
I'm sorry to hear about your Dad. It sounds like he had a collection of some interesting things.
Is it Onion Paper? I remember typewriting paper from high school typing class. I LOVED it. It was almost like Vellum and had a nice feel to it. I don't even know if they still make paper like that - and so different from copier or printer paper.
Have fun with it! :D
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Now up to $13.87 on this site K mentioned above and $19+ at Staples. I think HP is on to us!
Erica,
I don't know if you're aware of this by now, but the HP Premium Choice can be purchased for around $10/ream.
K
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Maybe this?
https://www.thepapermillstore.com/paper-mills/the-paper-mill-store/fidelity-onion-skin/
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Ooh -- thanks for the link! I am going to try that!
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A bit pointless me recommending this as such, but I just have to share with folk who will appreciate...
At the weekend I had to pick up what is left of my dad's old stuff from his house as it is being sold (He died ten years ago and my stepmother is going into a care home, so I got the call and had to go to pick up everything that kind relatives packed up ready for me). When I got it home, amongst the bits and pieces... a 1980s' electric typewriter, with spare ribbons, etc and a whole massive bag of 1970s/80s typing paper, including some Woolworth's 'Typing Paper' ad 'Victor Typing Bond'. Am finding it extremely ink pen friendly for both FPs and dip pens! Maybe because in the 70s there still were lots of people using ink..?
As it's thin, it's perfect practice paper. No feathering at all and very easy to see guidelines through. I am determined to use it all!
I am guessing that as typing paper was often lightweight, it may be a bit different to many modern copier papers? Totally wasn't expecting to find this amongst dad's stuff. But I will use it, as it will save my Rhodia and Clairefontaine and it is perfect for practice that only I will ever see.
Interesting, I saw some typewriter paper in a store recently, it may have changed, but it might be worth a shot.
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In India,
Favourite practice paper is BILT Matrix 80 Gsm premium paper, which does not smudge. Works well with many inks I have tried including walnut crystals. Light yellow colour is my favourite. Cost retail cost $4.5 for 500 sheets. Wholesale cost for 5 packets(2500 sheets) $15.5
Printing guidelines on it is very good. Paper is slightly transparent, so we can put guide sheets below also
Another favourite paper for many in India is JK Cedar 100 Gsm. Less than $5 for 500 sheets.
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So interesting to see different kinds of paper available all over @callmanishsoni .
In the US, Walmart is carrying a new printer called Pen + Gear, super premium bright 97, 28 lbs. It isn’t as nice as the HP but it does take the pen ok. Sometimes (not always) there is a very faint feather to the ink which may be depending upon which side used. But so far it has worked well as a practice paper. It has a good tooth to it.
But I have turned more and more to pads of Rhodia. Love that paper for practice.
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HP Premium and Rhodia! so smooth!
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I adore Rhodia and no doubt Claire F would fall in line. But my pocket book says HP Premium :o.
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Of all the papers I have used, two have been my go-to. Conqueror wove paper (oyster), and Triomphe by Clairefontaine.
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@Daniel McGill I love Triomphe as well. It has such a soft feel. I have not tried Conqueror yet but I will now! Thanks! :)
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@Daniel McGill I love Triomphe as well. It has such a soft feel. I have not tried Conqueror yet but I will now! Thanks! :)
For flourishing (particularly with traditional off-hand techniques) Triomphe is unmatched! As for the Conqueror, ensure it is the Wove type of paper, and not laid. Some advice regarding the surface; there is a tiny amount of tooth to the paper (finer than drawing paper) but enough that any sharp nib i.e. LPEF/hunt 101 will catch the tines should a heavy hand and incorrect pressure be applied.
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Interesting. So many more options than the HP premium I've been using. It's enough to make a girl's wallet cry. I want to try them all!
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Kokuyo KB paper is excellent. It’s smoother than HP Premium 32, shows more sheen and shading, is about the same price, and guidelines are easily visible through it without a lightbox. I don’t know if anyone has suggested it yet. A search for Kokuyo did not return any results.
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@BrightStar - I have never heard of it - will definitely check it out. Thank you!
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Wow! @BrightStar I tried this paper and I love it! It almost feels a bit like Rice paper. It has such a nice feel and the nib glides across it. Love it! Thank you so much!
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@Erica McPhee Sweet! I'm so glad you like it. It is thinner than the HP Premium 32 but makes up for it in sheen/shading and smoothness. Nothing can beat Tomoe River although for the price I think Kokuyo comes very close.
There's a massive list of good papers for fountain pen and other inks at https://fountainpenlove.com/paper/the-massive-list-of-fountain-pen-friendly-paper-ratings/ (https://fountainpenlove.com/paper/the-massive-list-of-fountain-pen-friendly-paper-ratings/). Happy writing! :)
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I've just received a pack of Clairefontaine Triomphe in the mail and I'm absolutely loving it. It's wonderful stuff.
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Hello,
This is my first post in open forum, so be gentle with me.;D
I am brand new to calligraphy. I have all the gear, but at present, I have no idea.
I have bought countless practice paper, and each and every one I have tried has allowed ink to bleed through, or has been scratchy - with the exception of Clairefontaine (squared). That is until this week. I have purchased 'Evolution Premium 100% recycled 120gms white'.
To the point -
Used - Tom's Studio 'Bloom' dip pen with a Brause 361b Steno nib with Diamine 'Dark Orchid' calligraphy ink.
I wrote the usual, The quick brown fox,.... and 1-30 half a dozen times. When I turned the paper over there was very thin bleed through which was evident on the down strokes. I then did the same practice making a conscious effort not to press too hard on the down strokes. When I turned the paper over there was no bleed through. So, now all I have to do is remember to be lighter with my touch. It's not always the paper is the lesson learned. I'm getting their, which has made my day.
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Hi Carpio,
Welcome to Flourish! I have never tried that paper before so I will have to give it a go. My standard practice papers are in order:
1. Rhodia Notepads, blank, orange or black cover
2. Kokuyo Japanese inkjet paper, 64 gsm, white degree 80%
3. HP Premium Laser Jet, 32#, 100 brightness
Hope that helps! ;D
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I really love Rhodia pads also! For a change to the "normal" one, I am about to get the Pascribe's grey pad (and some kuretake vermillion ink, they say it goes wonderful together?). I hope it is just as great as Rhodia's ones for some smooth practise sessions :D
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I have a question for you @Erica McPhee ,
It is on papers again. I have inkjet photo papers Ilford gallery/ Permajet -(Fine art Perma jet) Inkjet Media papers , Hahnemühle Fineart paper. They are all for photo laser and ink jet printing.
These kind of photo papers could be used for Calligraphy writing? Are those writing last longer as the pigment ink? Sound something silly to some but I am just curious.
You know I was into photography and I had my own home printing. Now I don't have a printer and have a considerable paper stock as leftovers. I am thinking to use those into Pen and ink and is it going to work? haven't tested any of the papers under a printed pens and ink.
So as a Photographer You can tell me your experience and knowledge based on your professional use of papers on calligraphy , have you ever think of the combination of photo papers ( Some cotton rags photo papers ) be used on calligraphy?
I know those papers are very thick like Bristol board finish. Cartoon type and have very different textures. Some will suits for Very broad edge calligraphy and Brush calligraphy or Automatic pen type calligraphy.
I like to see your point of view on this question Erika !!! :( and thank you ..
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Excellent questions @Cyril Jayant . Unfortunately, it is difficult to answer. As you know, photo paper is specially treated to accept ink. However, not all inkjet papers will take calligraphy ink. So it is really a matter of trial and error. I have noticed even HP Laserjet paper has changed their sizing a few years ago and it isn’t as calligraphy friendly as it used to be. I only use inkjet paper as practice paper so I do not worry much about lightfastness or longevity. For art pieces, I lean toward Mixed Media paper which takes both ink and watercolors and has a smooth surface.
Cotton rag paper, depending upon the sizing and texture, can sometimes be beautiful for calligraphy but other times just a bleeding mess. There is a handmade paper I have purchased online that takes both calligraphy ink and inkjet. It is really surprising that it takes the calligraphy ink so well but it is sized properly.
Give it a try and let us know how it goes! :)
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Hi everyone!
On paper, HP 32 has worked okay for me but not that great when using EF nibs. I had HP24 on my printer when I started on calligraphy. I liked that paper better. It seems to be smoother.
Clairefontain is great, blank or grid Rhodes is awesome. My favorites are Canson XL, and tracing paper.
For crafts and cards, Marker paper works great. Watercolor paper creates a nice contrast due to texture. Two things to have in mind though to really make this work are 1) soft texture paper over ‘bumpy’ texture 2) type of ink. Bombay, Windsor and Newton, and Sumi work very well. Bombay works great on watercolor paper. One last thing when using watercolor paper, per my experience, small writing can be a true challenge. I have not find a way to achieve crisp and neat results.