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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: New to Broad edge calligraphy
« Last post by RD5 on Today at 10:13:54 AM »
That's all very confusing, most calligraphy fountain pens come in mm sizes.

I think you are making things too complicated. First, why buy a safari in order to put on a new nib on it, instead of just buying a Lamy Joy.

Second, why would anyone want a stub italic for broad edge calligraphy? For everyday italic? sure, for blackletter? Never.
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@NevadaDeb

There is plenty good in your work above Debi. It is great that you are holding yourself to a high standard but don't discount the progress you have made :-)

I will be looking forward to your next attempt.

- Salman
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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: New to Broad edge calligraphy
« Last post by A Smug Dill on Today at 04:44:35 AM »
What is so great about Pilot

The O.P. was specifically asking about fountain pens (models utilising cartridges/converters as the filling mechanism, specifically) with broad-edged nibs. Pilot is one of the 'Big Three' Japanese manufacturer of fountain pens, with a good reputation for product quality irrespective of price point, and as far as I know all the Pilot pens on with broad-edged nibs (at least as an option) are made in Japan. She could go as low as about US$10 for a Pilot Parallel pen or Plumix pen (inclusive of GST and delivered to her in FNQ), or as high as US$400 or thereabouts for a Custom 743 fitted with a 14K gold #15 Stub nib, or somewhere in between for a Custom 74 or Custom Heritage 912 with a 14K gold (#5 and #10, in Pilot's nib sizing, respectively) Music nib, or even a Pilot Capless Vanishing Point pen fitted with a 18K gold Stub nib.

The entry barrier is lower budget-wise and the available options are more plentiful than, say, Lamy; getting a basic Lamy Safari and then a Z50 italic nib for it in Australia would set her back the price of four or five Pilot Parallel pens, and my experience with the Safari is that the cap is not very good at sealing the nib and section to prevent ink from drying out in a matter of days.

Monteverde USA (mostly made in China, if I'm not mistaken) and Aurora offer a fair range of pens with Stub and/or Italic nibs, but again the entry price point is far higher. I have a Monteverde Rodeo Drive fountain pen fitted with factory Stub nib (in steel) and I like it, but that cost me US$38+ not including international shipping, and then only because I snagged it at less than 50% of the retailer's list price when all the planets aligned. Trying to buy that from a local retailer – even one, such as Peters of Kensington, that sells online and will happily ship interstate to anywhere in Australia – would set her back rather more; and getting pens with Stub nibs from such places is not easy (because other than perhaps specialist pen stores, nobody here stocks pens that come fitted with Stub and Italic nibs).

Pilot is a far more accessible brand of pen in comparison.

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and what is "Calligraphy Medium" for a size?

I'm not sure what you're asking me there. Pilot doesn't size it steel nibs in the way it sizes its 14K gold and 18K gold nibs (i.e. #5 on the Custom 74 and Custom Heritage 91, #10 on the C742 and C912 as well as the Custom Kaede and Hannya Shingyo, #15 on the C743 and C823, etc.) or how Bock, JoWo, etc. size their steel nibs (#5, #6, etc.)
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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: New to Broad edge calligraphy
« Last post by RD5 on Today at 01:33:53 AM »
You could just get a Pilot Prera demonstrator model already fitted with a CM (Calligraphy Medium) nib at the factory; it will come with a Pilot (proprietary) converter included in the retail package.

(Prera models that are opaque do not come with included converters, and CM nibs are not an option offered with those.)

I've seen those in at least one bricks-and-mortar shop in Sydney – specifically, Kinokuniya in The Galeries Victoria – so they aren't impossible to get locally. However, I could order one directly from Japan, and (have to) pay for international shipping by EMS service, yet still come out on top expense-wise; no way such a pen should be selling for $81.

Or you could buy Pilot Plumix pens with the same type of nib (which are in fact interchangeable between the Prera, MR, Kakuno, 78G, Plumix and Penmanship models). Amazon sells them, at more reasonable prices that what I've seen on eBay for the same products.

But, in either case, to answer your question: Pilot is the brand of pen you're after.

You could, of course, opt to try a Lamy pen with an Italic nib instead; you can buy those nibs as separate retail products, and just fit them onto your Lamy Safari, Al-Star, Logo, CP1, etc. yourself; it's really easy to do. Or go all out and buy yourself an Aurora pen fitted with a factory Italic nib.

What is so great about Pilot and what is "Calligraphy Medium" for a size?
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Open Flourish | General Discussion / What would you call this, besides amazing
« Last post by AAAndrew on January 19, 2019, 09:43:36 PM »
Kind of Spencerian, kind of ???, all original.

It’s a receipt from a men’s clothing store in Philadelphia in 1904
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Flourishing / Re: Examples of flourishes
« Last post by saulyleeplans on January 19, 2019, 03:21:11 PM »
Thank you will have to look into them

Lee:)
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Coffee & Nib-bles / Re: Where in the World?
« Last post by Ensemble88 on January 19, 2019, 11:24:55 AM »
San Diego, CA!
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Coffee & Nib-bles / Re: Calligraphy confessions
« Last post by Ensemble88 on January 19, 2019, 11:23:54 AM »
Ok, so I am a newbie but have a few confessions already...

1. I am practicing/learning spencerian with a pilot g2 roller ball instead of a dip pen or fountain pen, even though I own both...and 3 oblique pen holders, 3 different inks, and Nikko G's which I haven't yet used...I guess I'm worried about having to incorporate pressure sensitivity and shading while trying to learn cursive for basically the first time since 3rd grade. I tried it on deployment and the rocking of the ship made for disasterous results...

2. I'm afraid the post office won't be able to read my addresses so I do the name as pretty as I can and the rest of it in military "recruit handwriting" capital block letters so I know it won't get delivered to the wrong address.  :P

3. My posture is horrible, I have a place to sit properly but it's my cat's favorite chair and he's too cute for me to kick off. Ever. So I hunch over the coffee table and count down the days until my next chiropractor appointment...lol.

4. I ordered the same how to write spencerian book twice because I forgot I had ordered it and was too impatient for it to arrive. I now have 3 books, and have barely started the first one.

5. I thought eleanor winter's book on copperplate was really dry, but P.R. Spencer's writing very interesting... :o

6. I'm really only learning so I can write love letters to my wife when I deploy again in August.  :-*
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Flourishing / Re: Examples of flourishes
« Last post by A Smug Dill on January 19, 2019, 08:14:54 AM »
Pages 140 and 141 of The Calligrapher's Bible (2003) by David Harris are focussed on italic flourished minuscules, if you prefer something more concise (but limited). I only just opened up that book for the first time tonight, after buying it from Amazon.
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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: New to Broad edge calligraphy
« Last post by A Smug Dill on January 19, 2019, 08:09:13 AM »
You could just get a Pilot Prera demonstrator model already fitted with a CM (Calligraphy Medium) nib at the factory; it will come with a Pilot (proprietary) converter included in the retail package.

(Prera models that are opaque do not come with included converters, and CM nibs are not an option offered with those.)

I've seen those in at least one bricks-and-mortar shop in Sydney – specifically, Kinokuniya in The Galeries Victoria – so they aren't impossible to get locally. However, I could order one directly from Japan, and (have to) pay for international shipping by EMS service, yet still come out on top expense-wise; no way such a pen should be selling for $81.

Or you could buy Pilot Plumix pens with the same type of nib (which are in fact interchangeable between the Prera, MR, Kakuno, 78G, Plumix and Penmanship models). Amazon sells them, at more reasonable prices that what I've seen on eBay for the same products.

But, in either case, to answer your question: Pilot is the brand of pen you're after.

You could, of course, opt to try a Lamy pen with an Italic nib instead; you can buy those nibs as separate retail products, and just fit them onto your Lamy Safari, Al-Star, Logo, CP1, etc. yourself; it's really easy to do. Or go all out and buy yourself an Aurora pen fitted with a factory Italic nib.
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