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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Historic photo
« on: April 07, 2024, 09:17:17 AM »
This photo dates from 1949 and is a copy of a copy of a newspaper cutting from c1950 hence the poor quality. I've posted it here as it may be of some historic interest, This was a writing class at a school in Dundee, Scotland.
All the writing was done with flexible dip nibs and the style was Vere Foster script which. as a slightly shaded script, was a simplified, more upright  form of English Roundhand. Unfortunately, the introduction of ball-point pens a few years later resulted in the loss of  skill and the quality of handwriting deteriorated.
When my mother, who was born in 1911. was taught handwriting. as a left-hander she was forced to learn with her right hand.
By the time of this photo, no such Draconian measure applied, and the girl at the left side of the photo,  can be seen writing with her left hand. However, no such accommodation was made for the built-in inkwell which can be seen at the top right corner of the desk. She had to cross over her writing each time she wanted to dip her nib.
It's irrelevant, but I am seated at the extreme right side of the photo.   

Show & Tell / Re: Pianists
« on: April 06, 2024, 04:18:27 PM »

Show & Tell / Pianists
« on: April 06, 2024, 09:54:27 AM »
Pianists written in Uncial Script


One other benefit of the oblique penholder that I find useful for writing Roundhand is that the flange can inclined independently from the staff. This allows for the pen to be held at a lower angle to the paper than is typically possible with other types of holders.
That's a good point. This adaptability means that the Oblique penholder can be modified to suit individual hands,

Completely agree. Why do you think @Ken Fraser that so many in Europe do not use an oblique pen holder?
I wasn't aware of that. I certainly wouldn't want to be without mine!

And of course, for a left-handed person like me, it is easier to achieve the correct angle with a straight penholder.


Absolutely right. The left-handed scribes are at a definite advantage when writing sloping scripts.

I have recently come across the statement that the Oblique Penholder was invented for Spencerian Script and not Copperplate. As the Oblique Penholder was invented and patented  in England in 1831 and Spencerian script didn't appear until 1840 the writer is clearly mistaken.
To achieve the shaded downstrokes, the nib must point at, or as close to the downstroke as possible, This opens the tines of the nib evenly creating perfect shading. The occasional horizontal stroke is produced by turning the paper. still creating shaded downstrokes. 
Although this is possible with a straight penholder, in order to achieve the nib pointing at the downstroke  the wrist has to be turned to an uncomfortable angle and the paper rotated anti-clockwise, Furthermore, this rotation of the paper means that you are writing virtually uphill, making assessment of the lettering unnecessarily difficult. On the contrary, with the aid of the Oblique Holder it's possible to write for a long time without stress,
These illustrations show the tines opening evenly on the angle of the downstrokes.

English Roundhand

Show & Tell / Window Sign
« on: April 03, 2024, 07:42:15 AM »
Window Sign

Show & Tell / Upright flex-nib script
« on: April 02, 2024, 04:31:35 AM »
Upright flex-nib script

Show & Tell / Heading for Forum
« on: April 01, 2024, 05:16:55 AM »
Heading for Calligraphic Forum

Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Dickens quotation
« on: April 01, 2024, 04:31:30 AM »
Dickens quotation

Open Flourish | General Discussion / Direct comparison
« on: March 31, 2024, 04:47:38 AM »
A direct comparison of Spencerian (upper)  and English Roundhand (Copperplate) written with the same nib and at the same x height.

Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Economists
« on: March 30, 2024, 06:35:57 AM »

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