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Exchanges - General Info & Questions (Start here.) / Re: Creating Samples
« on: December 28, 2015, 10:55:43 AM »
Thanks, Prasad!

Everyday Handwriting | Penmanship / Re: Everyday handwriting 1980
« on: December 28, 2015, 10:42:21 AM »
This is great, thank you for posting!  I love the look of italic and still consider using it as my everyday writing (working on Business Writing and italic concurrently).  In fact, I think I was using italic for a while but I did not study it or practice it deliberately so I think it fell too far into disrepair.  I'm going to look for a sample to post.

I'm not very familiar with nibs but this is a good example to use for my question: what type of pen or nib could someone use to get something of what you have below?  I'm looking for something just like this that is not so variant between the thick and the thin that it's distracting but it's more distinct than a monoline pen.  Would this just have been a . . . medium nib?

Thanks, Sybillevz, I'll mess around with that concept.  It sounds like the type of brainwave hook that may work for me:)  For now, it continues to evade me. . .

Guidelines / Re: General question on generating and using guidelines
« on: December 27, 2015, 12:08:37 AM »
Thanks, Prasad for the additional info!  I really liked the suggestion about no space between lines.  I guess I had overlooked that and have actually been filling in the blank space with swirls but I like the "no space" option better.

I also appreciate the additional URL.  Will put that in my list of useful bookmarks for guide lines!

Wow!  Well, at least it's not ambiguous as to what the conventions were. . . :)

Guidelines / Re: General question on generating and using guidelines
« on: December 20, 2015, 09:20:51 PM »
@DB - that's exactly what I was looking for, thank you!

I'm glad you mentioned the "Learning to Write Spencerian Script" book.  I am still trying to distinguish the different varieties of these writing hands that I see and, in fact, the book you mentioned may be the one I'm looking for.

Unfortunately, our whole library system is devoid of Michael Sull materials.

Thanks again for your suggestions on the guidelines and additional info on the book!


Spencerian Script / Re: Spencerian Variety
« on: December 20, 2015, 09:17:13 PM »
Ok, great, that gives me some good variety "names" to go with.  So when we see Victorian era (say late 1800s, early 1900s) everyday writing in journals and ledgers, would that be pretty much from the school of Platt Rogers Spencer?

Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: What is an applause?
« on: December 20, 2015, 09:12:49 PM »
Ah, great, that helps a lot.  Thank y'all!

Open Flourish | General Discussion / What is an applause?
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:08:19 AM »
On the side of messages under the author there is a little "[applause]". . . What does that mean, exactly?  Is that like a Like++?

Exchanges - General Info & Questions (Start here.) / Creating Samples
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:56:41 AM »
What is a good practice for creating samples and posting?  I particularly notice that @InkyFingers has excellent samples which are obviously not done with a scanner (or at least, not all of them) because some feature writing instruments, etc.  Then, I think one must use an external image host (right?) and not upload an image directly.

Is there a topic on this?  Hope this is not where everyone throws tomatoes at me.

Well, to be clear, I can do something, I'm not totally lost but I'm just wondering what the veterans have found to be good techniques for posting samples.

Spencerian Script / Spencerian Variety
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:45:44 AM »
Has their ever been a topic. . . well, I searched "Spencerian variety" and had some interesting results. . . on exactly how many (if any) varieties of Spencerian writing exist?  I may be ruthlessly abusing my newbieness but I'm sort of gathering there are at least this many variations:

1) The Spencerian that I think my great-grandparents wrote (circa turn of the century (uh, yeah, the other century))
2) Business Spencerian
3) Shaded Spencerian

I'm a bit of a genealogist - or used to be.  So I've ran into a lot of #1 (at least that's what I always thought it was).  When I started reading this forum I actually learned about #2 and #3.

Is this break down close or am I way off?  Not to overstate the obvious, but I'd never even heard of "shading" and pointed pen, though it is very intriguing and I think someday I will embark on a Spencerian journey.

Everyday Handwriting | Penmanship / Re: What happened to my cursive?
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:27:49 AM »
Interesting conundrum!  I'm very new here but I did read one other topic on this and I think you pretty much have the advice: not to work on two styles which are similar until you know one intimately.

My intuition (not experience!) would also comment that it probably depends on your style of cursive.  I'm really getting interested in the subtle variations of cursive that have been taught throughout the generations (and certainly by locality).  I believe what I learned in the 70s in elementary school was probably closest to what I guess is called American Cursive, though I haven't really seen a compendium of styles.  [Sidenote: that would be an interesting topic here as well, to categorize/sub-categorize the styles across the Spencerian-Business-Palmer-"Modern?" spectrum and matrix them by years they were prevalent.  Well, I digress!

Guess my well is empty (as a newbie's well is wont to do) on your question but those are my two cents (or two bits, at least).

Yes, thanks AnasaziWrites - there is definitely more explanation in this one than in the Mill's coverage.  I will give it a try!

I am having a hard time getting my m's and n's and I'm hoping maybe someone has a different drill other than this one by Edward Mill's:

My problem is that there seems to be a very nuanced slope from the bottom of one "n" hump and the top of the other "n" hump.  If the arch of the slope is too great (like mine seems to be), then there isn't that little "v" section between the humps.  But if I try to flatten that arch, I end up with something akin to zigzags rather than the m/n humps.

Is this something I shouldn't worry about or should I keep on keeping on or perhaps someone has a different drill that may give me the feel of it?  If seems like my natural movement produces the closely grouped humps rather than that "deeper" v that is in Mill's exercise.  I circled the part where I think I almost had it but it's still pretty far off. . . :(

Everyday Handwriting | Penmanship / Re: Sociology of Handwriting
« on: December 17, 2015, 08:24:18 PM »
Excellent, thanks, @Estefa!  That's good info, I'm looking forward to reading the book.

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