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Title: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Roseann on January 03, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
Hi Erica,
I had a question about the 'Italian Capitals' found in the Ames guide to Self Instruction, page 31.  The shading appears to have been done on the upstroke, which doesn't make sense to me. 
I think they may have written the letter first, then they went back and added the shading, using a down stroke.   What are your thoughts on it?  I'm also wondering if this is common to Italian script?

If anyone else has any thoughts on how the shading was achieved on this particular exemplar, please share. 

Link: Ames Guide to Self Instruction (http://issuu.com/letteringtime/docs/ames_guide_to_self-instruction)

Thank you so much.

Love,
Roseann
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Post by: Erica McPhee on January 03, 2014, 10:13:05 PM
Hi Roseann,
This is a beautiful alphabet isn't it?! Really good question, too! 

As far as I can tell, the letters were broken up into two sections and/or done in the opposite direction we would normally go. I did a quick example with directional arrows.

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2F944jszdmv%2Fitalianexemple.jpg&hash=30b69986416c0d9e2a7c6f56fe21edee)

Look at the A. This is done in two strokes. The first starts with the "crossbar" and a downward stroke, then loops up and around in a counterclockwise fashion. Then does the loop de loops and finishes at the bottom left. The second stroke starts at the bottom right and finishes at the top (where the circle is).

The B starts and ends at the same place but with two separate strokes.

The C is made in one stroke and literally goes in reverse to what you would normally do.

This is a very intricate alphabet that would take lots of practice and lots of large arm movements so as to avoid shakey lines. I traced the letters but you can still see some line shake. These letters take a GREAT deal of control. But with lots of practice, the results would be very rewarding!
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Linda Y. on January 04, 2014, 12:22:21 AM
So beautiful! It reminds me of Schin's style. Really sophisticated & luscious!
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on January 04, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
I thought the same thing Linda!  :D
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Roseann on January 04, 2014, 07:58:03 PM
Erica!
Thank you so much for detailing those strokes!  It's so helpful.
I'm still having a hard time with the reverse movements.  But it's definitely worth the practice.  They're so beautiful.

Love,
Roseann
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: schin on January 04, 2014, 11:41:17 PM
erica & linda: I've been blushing for hours :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Sherry Lu on January 07, 2014, 12:49:15 AM
Oh wow. Thanks for breaking it down! I love these intricate letters but am always confused as to where they start/end! :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: MICHELA on January 07, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
Ok my heart just raced. Thank you for being so kind and explain step by step!
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Ken Fraser on March 21, 2014, 06:34:47 PM
I agree with Erica.

These letters are written backwards i.e. from right to left which reverses the usual positioning of the hairlines and the shaded strokes.

Ken
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Roseann on March 21, 2014, 08:09:05 PM
Hi Erica,
Is there any way you can enlarge your example with the directional arrows?  Its very hard for me to see the picture.
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on March 23, 2014, 10:39:16 PM
Yes, certainly. I will upload a blown up version of each letter tomorrow.  :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Roseann on March 23, 2014, 11:59:53 PM
Thank you Erica!!
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on April 02, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
Better late than never, I hope.  :)

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2Ftuehl266f%2Fitalian_Aweb.jpg&hash=1d981fb8a203f4a501677969afdf2bf7)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on April 02, 2014, 05:46:06 PM
Capital B:

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2Fbg3yh2tvr%2Fitalian_Bweb.jpg&hash=460800890dedab275de1a8009bff9777)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on April 02, 2014, 05:46:42 PM
Capital C:
(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2Fdypnhrflz%2Fitalian_Cweb.jpg&hash=cb616d3e6e84a95dac4e4aa38e0273dc)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Linda Y. on April 02, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
This is the wackiest alphabet construction I've ever seen - it's like... patting your head with one hand and rubbing your stomach with the other. Wow - mind. blown.  :o

[edited to add] Yes! THANK YOU Erica :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Roseann on April 02, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
Hi Erica,
This is great.
I really appreciate you taking the time to do that for me.
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: AndyT on April 03, 2014, 05:54:44 AM
This is the wackiest alphabet construction I've ever seen - it's like... patting your head with one hand and rubbing your stomach with the other. Wow - mind. blown.  :o

Perfectly put!  :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Starlee on April 03, 2014, 09:04:23 AM
Erica, how you find time to help us like this on top of managing this blog, your magazine and the myriad of other things you do is truly inspiring. You certainly have the time management thing down to a T! Thank you!
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on April 03, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
Linda, that was so funny!

Anytime Roseann!

Thanks Starlee! I am a really bad housekeeper, though! It helps that my job is also the thing I love to do most!  :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: YokePenCo on April 03, 2014, 11:15:01 PM
This was a style done at the turn of the century and my great great grandfather actually wrote this style. After showing the examples I have of his with Michael Sull, they were done with a straight holder. It was typically referred to as flourished script in the US, and very few penman did it due to it's complexity.

A straight holder is held in the traditional offhand flourishing style, where the point of the nib is towards your body and it is written from left to right.  As a result the upstrokes (thicks) are pulled away from your body and the downstrokes (thins) pushed towards your body.

It can be accomplished the way Erica described, but the old timers (and those at the time of printing of the Ames guide) did it in the way I described.
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: YokePenCo on April 03, 2014, 11:30:22 PM
Here is an example from my great great grandfather of the style, circa 1875

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe229%2Fccoates455%2Fd022d24d-6cf4-4190-97b6-076ee03f67ee_zps0f3212bc.jpg%7Eoriginal&hash=75dab170f5d9cd808094495b98ced516) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/ccoates455/media/d022d24d-6cf4-4190-97b6-076ee03f67ee_zps0f3212bc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Erica McPhee on April 03, 2014, 11:34:53 PM
Christopher - this is AMAZING! Thank you so much for sharing that fascinating information and sample with us. It is astoundingly beautiful!  :)
Title: Re: Italian Capital How To!
Post by: Roseann on April 04, 2014, 04:47:05 AM
Yes, thank you!
It is such a difficult hand.  But also very beautiful.