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Title: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: Christo on June 10, 2014, 08:30:02 AM
Does anyone know what he is writing with when he does the backwards B outline ? (http://vimeo.com/29619683 @ 5:00) Is it something that splits open with pressure like a dip pen or does it have something like a spring that he releases for the thick strokes? - Hopefully you can make sense of my question... Thank you!
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Scarlet Blue on June 10, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Christo - I've been trying to find that tool for a couple of years now! A French calligraphy blogger also has one, but Google translate didn't get me any closer to giving me a name for it!
I think it's some sort of engineering tool... some sort of engineers double ruling tool. I have spent hours searching on line for it.... I think it might be vintage :-( Whatever it is, I want one!!
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Christo on June 12, 2014, 06:19:48 AM
We will eventually find out (hopefully!)
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Christo on June 12, 2014, 09:11:48 AM
I had enough of searching & sent Mr Paul Antonio a message.. He said it's a custom tool! so.. it seems we will have to get creative and build our own :D
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Brad franklin on June 12, 2014, 12:44:22 PM
I guest if I had paid more attention to the forums I could have told you that. In one of his videos he says it's made for him to show the class the spread of the tines. Sorry 
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Scarlet Blue on June 12, 2014, 06:03:02 PM
I found the French blogger who has a similar tool...

http://calligraphieetc.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/langlaise-resiste.html

Lovely calligraphy blog... just wish I could read French.
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Christo on June 13, 2014, 02:40:24 AM
Greeeeeat! Thanks for that! It shouldn't be too difficult to make something similar hopefully... Let's just hope it works :D  - I will let you know what happens once I try it out..

(No worries Brad!)
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Scarlet Blue on June 13, 2014, 06:14:42 AM
Blimey! Can you make me one too?!
Has Brad always been green or has my screen gone funny?
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Brad franklin on June 13, 2014, 09:29:18 AM
No I hatched last night. See I am a green pistachio nut. Or maybe just a nut. No need to adjust your screens I am green.
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Christo on June 13, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Don't laugh.

Promise?

Anyway.. I tried something extremely rough / quick & very funny looking out of two pieces of cardboard, a xylophone mallet, brown tape, rubber bands & two borrowed pencils from ikea (I will return them) only to see if it could work i.e. open & close & write ! and it does. poorly.. but it does!.. just like a pointed pen! or more like my first 'pointed pen' that I cut out of a plastic bottle. 

The problem(s) with this extremely bad construction was keeping the pencils aligned which is not at all surprising since I just pierced the cardboard & stuck the pencils inside, so, with a lot of pressure, they were pushed out of place. The card was also a little flimsy too.. especially after drilling through it in my hand with a screwdriver .. :D

Here is a pic just to show how 'simple' the design is. I taped the pieces of card together leaving the front end untaped so it can split open with pressure..  it worked better than expected & wrote thick - thin - thick - thin..

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi61.tinypic.com%2Fin7h9h.jpg&hash=0912c8ca28887f58e1ad7ec8e917f97b)

who's that laughing in the back? 

Next step is trying a stiffer / snappier material (a thick ruler might work perhaps?) & finding a way to attach adjustable holders (such as those on compasses?) to hold the pen / pencil / chalk / whatever..
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Brad franklin on June 13, 2014, 02:42:38 PM
Thats cool. No laughing here,does it work?
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Christo on June 13, 2014, 04:25:15 PM
(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi61.tinypic.com%2F2vhsy8i.jpg&hash=52712e7159838496cbd67a83e485a8e6)

Excuse the writing... As you might be able to see (I live in the dark), the pencils were not perfectly aligned from the start...  The material needs to be stronger & thinner & the holders need to be placed differently so I can see what I'm writing! .. With the right materials it should be possible to make a 'decent' one I hope! I will try it out when I have the time (by the way, it can write at about four times the thickness you see there but one pencil in particular is much too loose & moves..)
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: AndyT on June 13, 2014, 04:30:49 PM
Don't laugh.

Absolutely not.  What you have there is proof of the concept - well done!
Title: Re: Re: Paul Antonio video - Oblique v. straight holder
Post by: Brad franklin on June 13, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Good first try.
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: Scarlet Blue on June 15, 2014, 06:42:48 AM
Seriously impressed.
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: YokePenCo on June 16, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
It's called a Whopperplate pen. They are no longer made and were invented by Bill Hildebrandt. If they do pop up on ebay from time to time, they go for a FORTUNE!!!


Also they Whopperplate design is patented, copyrighted name, etc..... so don't try to sell them if you make them.
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: FrenchBlue Joy on June 16, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
That's interesting!

And thanks Scarlett Blue for the link to that French blog, I'd never seen it before!  I just found yours too, and it's great.  Added it to my list.  :) 
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: Ken Fraser on June 17, 2014, 07:14:17 AM
A "Whopperplate Pen" sold on eBay in the UK in March for £47.00

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi226.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd289%2Fcaliken_2007%2FWhopperplate800.jpg&hash=a573182867df173866797c72ecff1b56)
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: Christo on June 17, 2014, 07:36:36 AM
Thanks for that! Now we know what they're called, and what a smart name too!

A search for whopperplate lead to a similar custom made tool at the bottom of this page: http://www.reinschrift.de/019c0f981c0855004/index.htm

and another!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/timothydonaldson/5001793215/

Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: Scarlet Blue on June 17, 2014, 03:49:22 PM
I'm chuffed to bits to now know the name of this tool. Many thanks!
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: Brad franklin on June 17, 2014, 09:57:15 PM
Funny I Google "Whopperplate Pen" and it says Did you mean: Copperplate Pen. If they only knew!
Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: penstaff on July 05, 2014, 02:09:37 PM
It sounds like you'll are referring to the "Whopperplate" tool made by Bill Hildebrandt. I just listed one on Ebay if anyone is interested. Purchased it in 1986 from Bill, still has all the small loose parts and instructional information included…used it very seldom.
penstaff                   


Title: Re: Custom tool to demonstrate splitting tines
Post by: JanisTX on July 05, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Hmm...  There is something like that I have tried before. A "parallel pen"??  I'll see if I can dig it out!

Nicely built & demonstrated, by the way!