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Messages - Ngaire_W

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Unpacking Oldřich Menhart
« on: April 07, 2021, 08:24:06 AM »
That is interesting! I think it was me who suggested that Menhart was ahead of his time in the workshop  :) Just my imagining of it. Looking at his work, he seems to be so freely creative and experimental and not too worried about following 'official' styles. I interpreted that such experimentation might ruffle the feathers of traditionalists but maybe that was not the case back then.

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Unpacking Oldřich Menhart
« on: April 07, 2021, 02:49:48 AM »
@Trazo Thanks for your encouragement! I will continue  :) I will message you on Instagram. It sounds like Nauka o Pismu is closer to what I am after. There is such an amazing culture of handwriting in Eastern Europe, I find it fascinating.

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Unpacking Oldřich Menhart
« on: April 05, 2021, 07:55:08 AM »
@Trazo I'm thinking of buying one of his books. As I know you have some of his books at home, I have a question for you. Which do book do you think is best for learning some of his calligraphic styles? I heard "Nauka O Pismu" is for students, so I guess it would be good for showing entire alphabets in upper and lowercase. However Carl Rohrs also mentioned in the class that the restrospective of his work is so comprehensive it almost makes "Nauka o Pismu" redundant https://www.antikvariat-benes.cz/detail/74791-oldrich-menhart-vybor-z-dila-pismare-a-upravce-knihy.html

What do you think?

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Unpacking Oldřich Menhart
« on: April 03, 2021, 12:32:15 PM »
@RD5 Hmm, so the pen width is equal to the thicker parts of the stems (towards the bottom?). Interesting theory!

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Unpacking Oldřich Menhart
« on: April 03, 2021, 03:34:00 AM »
Here's an example I've been playing around with and trying to recreate. His is in black, mine is in green beneath.

I love the quirkiness and liveliness of his letters.

It seems to me that his letters are very 'built up' and drawn, with many of his strokes seeming to be built of two strokes. See close up at bottom. He has these funny little hairline serifs that have a tiny bit of weight to them. I've been combining a 15 degree pen angle with a flat pen angle to try to recreate his style but it's still alluding me.


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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Unpacking Oldřich Menhart
« on: April 03, 2021, 03:29:21 AM »
Hi all,

Attended a workshop last week by Carl Rohrs on the work of Czech calligrapher Oldřich Menhart. Thought I'd start a thread of talk about his work if anyone else is interested.

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 27, 2021, 02:45:17 PM »
Hi Trazo, that would be great, maybe we can start a Menhart thread :)
Yes, I also enjoyed learning from his 'typographic archaeology' and hearing his take on the forms. Also his explanation of what happens to a calligraphic script when it is made into a typeface/font and then how he sometimes tries to make them back into calligraphic scripts. So interesting!

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 27, 2021, 03:00:04 AM »
Yes, that was me! Loved it! I attended a one day workshop with Carl Rohrs 10 years ago and loved it. Back then he told us about Menhart, Toots and others, which inspired me to read more on them. Seeing that he had this workshop this last week, I couldn't resist because I really love these older calligraphers' work. A lot of it is too advanced for me at the moment but I will use Menhart's Italic as a reference when developing my Italic further and also try some of the other techniques on for size  ;D

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 26, 2021, 05:59:05 PM »
@Trazo yes that's the exact one I'm thinking of taking! If I can get a seat that is  ??? Thank you for the warning!!!

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 26, 2021, 10:41:09 AM »
This seems like very solid advice, thank you @jeanwilson:) I will follow your steps. I'm familiar with John Stevens, thinking of taking one of his classes.

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 24, 2021, 05:31:11 AM »
So here's v2. This time I ruled lines (yes!) and sketched the letters before starting. Not a fan of the flourish on the 'A'. Like the 'F' although the flourish makes it looks more like an 'E'. Aye aye aye!

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 24, 2021, 05:26:56 AM »
Gorgeous @InkyFingers! I had seen examples of Tagliente before but not Palatino, thank you for sharing! It's hard to believe they did all of that with a broad-edge nib isn't it?

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 23, 2021, 05:17:54 PM »
Yes! That is the book where the concept comes from. Excellent book!  ;D

Oh excellent! Now I can't wait even more until it arrives!!  :D

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 23, 2021, 05:16:16 PM »
Gorgeous example @K-2 , thank you for sharing, that's really sweet of you!
Yes, you are totally correct, I did draw these letters way bigger than they should be for this pen width. I just wanted to see how it went, just for the sake of it :/ One learning for me, if you are going to purposefully use a much larger x-height than typically needed for your nib, you really gotta have a smooth hand!! I've been practising regular italic minuscules over and over for a long time now and just wanted to break free and try something different!

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Trying to learn flourishing
« on: March 22, 2021, 04:26:33 PM »
I ordered 'Calligraphic Flourishing' by William Hildebrandt recently so hopefully that will shed more light on typical 'take off' points and construction.

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