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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #165 on: September 06, 2016, 12:59:26 AM »
Terrific work Ashok!
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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #166 on: September 06, 2016, 02:52:43 AM »
Thanks @Rednaxela. Glad you liked it :D

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #167 on: September 06, 2016, 04:04:29 AM »
Ashok, your progress and the dedicated practice you've put in is wonderful!

It is a nice reminder for those of us (finger pointed at me) who've been procrastinating about regular hours with our drills and script work.

I'd definitely recommend this thread be pinned as a guideline to all newcomers as a way to think about benefits of regular practice.

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2016, 04:25:19 AM »
I'd definitely recommend this thread be pinned as a guideline to all newcomers as a way to think about benefits of regular practice.

Hi @flummoxed,
Really happy and motivated with those kind words :D
I would be the happiest person if my thread in anyway would help members on this forum.
Infact I had guided new comers to my thread when they wished to see my work.

Thanks again,
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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #169 on: September 07, 2016, 02:24:48 PM »
Hi Salman,

Till I finish my ambitious project. Here's a small composition I tried within tight spacing.
My judgement went a little off and few letters sort of overlap, but I quite like the overall compact look.
Happy to hear your valuable comments.

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Ashok
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« Reply #170 on: September 08, 2016, 02:51:54 AM »
That is a nicely done script Ashok. I would have liked to see the overlapped lines moved a bit to the left or right to avoid the 'collisions' but the general look is nice.

What x-height did you use for this?

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #171 on: September 08, 2016, 03:36:40 AM »
What x-height did you use for this?

Hi salman,

Had done a pencil rough before I started with pen. But still I misjudged the spacing. :(
I used 6mm as 'x' height for this composition.

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #172 on: September 08, 2016, 05:56:04 PM »
Hi Salman,

I think I've completed the project that I started. I'm open to suggestions / Ideas if this could be improved in any manner. So feel free.
Have also attached close-up snippets to the detailed work. Hope you like it. :D

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #173 on: September 10, 2016, 02:00:52 PM »
It looks nice Ashok. There are always things that can be done differently but it is a winner if you and your friend are happy with it :-)

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #174 on: September 10, 2016, 02:43:47 PM »
There are always things that can be done differently...

Thanks Salman, I agree and would love to know if you had anything specific on your mind. Any suggestion or ideas. I had few thoughts before I started but eventually chose to go this route.

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #175 on: September 11, 2016, 12:09:44 AM »
The thing that stands out most to me is the irregular indentation. It is neither centred nor does it follow the staggered pattern introduced in the first 4 lines.

The inter-line spacing is a bit too tight for my liking too. Lines that long should have generous spacing between them. The 2 x-heights you have between lines is all taken up by the Majuscules (and each line has at least one).

The flourishing on the title can also be improved. There are too many closely overlapping curves that cross each other at acute angles. Also, the axes through the loops are all over the place. The eye doesn't know where to go and is left with a sense of too much random movement IMO.

These are all just my opinions. I share them in the spirit of helpful critique.

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #176 on: September 11, 2016, 12:37:14 AM »
The thing that stands out most to me is the irregular indentation.
The inter-line spacing is a bit too tight for my liking too.
The flourishing on the title can also be improved. Also, the axes through the loops are all over the place.
These are all just my opinions. I share them in the spirit of helpful critique.

Regards,
Salman

Hi Salman,

Many thanks and appreciate your time for those valuable comments.
Completely agree with all you say. I had a little tough time planning this project like -
Since the poem was too long. I had gone for a bigger paper, But I didn't want to compromise on the size of the script as I thought it would reduce impact. So the inter-line spacing is tight. So if I had kept 2x height between lines the last para would run onto another page. But I agree a more generous spacing would had a different impact.
If you see my initial WIP I had something else in mind. More like a ornamentally written 'IF' but during practise realised that I wont be able to pull that off. Hence went with broad pen with the flourishing that I'been doing. I tend to go overboard with flourishing and need to control that. Would appreciate if you have any reference to share with me.

Apologies Salman but didn't understand the point marked in Blue.

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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #177 on: September 11, 2016, 07:48:57 AM »
The thing that stands out most to me is the irregular indentation.
The inter-line spacing is a bit too tight for my liking too.
The flourishing on the title can also be improved. Also, the axes through the loops are all over the place.
These are all just my opinions. I share them in the spirit of helpful critique.

Regards,
Salman

<<snip>>
But I didn't want to compromise on the size of the script as I thought it would reduce impact. <<snip>>
 I tend to go overboard with flourishing and need to control that. Would appreciate if you have any reference to share with me.

Apologies Salman but didn't understand the point marked in Blue.

Thanks again,
Regards
Ashok

I don't think you lose any impact at all when you write smaller - as long as the writing is well executed. Tiny writing - or anything miniature - is wildly exciting when done well. It is difficult to do well and that makes it all the more precious.

I think the comment in blue refers to the axis - or the imaginary line - that runs down the center of an oval (or the spine of the fish, if you see fish in flourishes) Traditional flourishing has a very specific set of recommendations that someone can probably pull up and post. They include the angle of the axis and how and where to cross lines.

I thought the style of your flourishing was like the contemporary flourishing of Diane von Arx. If you Google her, you will see images of perfectly executed traditional flourishes as well as flourishing that looks a lot like yours. She was invited by Donald Jackson to create some pages in the St. John's Bible and she did all the lettering in the books that list the donors who contributed to the project so she's one of the rock stars in the scribal world. She is an excellent teacher of flourishing, both contemporary and traditional. Her contemporary flourishing has some guidelines. It is not just random swirls. But, it is helpful to recognize which style you are going for.

When you mix broad edge with pointed pen styles - you have to have an element that makes them come together. Contemporary flourishing is a reasonable choice. Your overall layout will determine how you create compatibility in your elements. Since your flourishing is contemporary - irregular indentation was another reasonable choice. Often times, irregular positioning of lines can be very distracting. Other times it can be very organic and work very well.
You really only have 5 choices in line position:
flush left
flush right
centered
justified (three ways to do this)
irregular
I guess there are more - like spiral...borders...what else?

You don't just make choices on what to do based on what is easy.
You have to integrate all the choices and decide how they are going to work together.
And - at the end of the day - there is a huge component -which is- your personal taste. Some of the work that I recognize as stellar in the design and execution is still not to my liking.

So, Salman is wise to include that *these are just his opinions*
and I will say it as well...these are just my opinions.


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Re: Please RIGHT if im WRONG
« Reply #178 on: September 11, 2016, 11:54:15 AM »
Hi @jeanwilson,

Thank you so much for adding to this discussion. Much appreciate.
This will definitely help me plan my next 'BIG' project efficiently.

Regards,
Ashok
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« Reply #179 on: September 12, 2016, 04:12:35 PM »
Ashok - as Jean explained, I was referring to the axes (plural of axis) of the various ovals in the flourishing. 'Slant' would probably have been a better word :-)

I must say I admire your attitude towards both learning and exploration. Your openness to critique is admirable. I have no doubt you will accomplish great things with an attitude like that.

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