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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #255 on: April 10, 2017, 04:32:40 AM »
@SMK, Thanks, I had a guide sheet under this sheet. I'll give it another shot today with the sheets printed.

I didn't understand what you mean by the bottom turns/curves, I'll take a look at the Instagram clip to see what you mean.

Edited:

Did you mean the video in this link? https://www.instagram.com/p/BSgz-zOjCXF/

I now know what you mean by link, I'll look at the practice sheet to check for the curves and will post a new version later today.

 

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #256 on: April 10, 2017, 08:15:48 AM »
@SMK Here's a second go around on individual letters for this group.
I think my down stroke taper is a little better with these, along with the slant. Down stroke shading is still a little inconsistent, along with the 'j' descender loop length/width.
Thanks for your guidance Salman :)

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #257 on: April 10, 2017, 08:17:53 AM »
Here's a stab at some words.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #258 on: April 10, 2017, 11:58:53 AM »
@SMK, I went and looked back at the video and tried to redo the 'i's on a printed guide sheet for today.

Line 1: I divided the line into three parts to reduce the pressure on the nib in the bottom third. In the first few cases I drew the 'i' with a pencil and then proceeded to try out individual 'i's. I did not realise that the curve continued.

Line 2: I tried a set of 5 'i's in this line. I realised that while I had reduced the pressure in the bottom third, I had not spaced them properly. The ticks/crosses on the top represent the angle of the downstroke and the ones at the bottom represent the spacing between the upstroke (entry stroke?) and the downstroke of the 'i'.

Line 3: In this set, while I got the spacing to be better than the previous set, I was not able to reduce the 'curve that you had referred to Salman. It was at the very end of this line that I realised the reason for the higher degree of the curve when compared to the 'i' in the video you posted on Instagram.

At the bottom of the page: I realised that the reason for the 'i' to have the larger curve was that I was beginning to curve the line itself instead of holding my line and reducing the pressure in the bottom third. I tried a sample set at the end of the page to check this hypothesis.

Line 4: I tried to draw the 'i's in the first half of the line and wasn't very happy with the results as I was reducing the pressure but I think the angle at which I was applying pressure was at fault. Both the tines would converge at the centre of the page instead of the left tine closing towards the right tine. I then proceeded to mark in a pencil the bottom third between the two parallel lines (representing the edges). I tried to adjust the angle of the nib to the page and the angle of the page to check if the tines were snapping back in the manner that they should.

Line 5: I only focussed on the tines snapping back together in this line. The spacing and the upward strokes were not consistent.

Line 6: The spacing (within the set of 5 'i's) was fairly better, but the upstrokes were not consistent.

Line 7: I got sloppy with the angle of the downstroke in this line and the spacing on a couple of occasions. The upstrokes were better in this line.

Line 8: I thought this line was better in terms of consistency but I think I got sloppy with the dots at the top and with the upstrokes in a couple of instances.

Please do let me know if this is what you meant by the curve and the angle of the 'i' from Day 1's practice Salman. If I am on the wrong track, I'll give it another such attempt tomorrow. Otherwise, another day with some more patience and I think the 'i' might begin to look like a decent 'i'.

By the way, thanks for taking the time out to comment.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #259 on: April 10, 2017, 03:26:21 PM »
@vonking1980 - this is lovely work. The only issue is that the shade on the last stroke of the 'w' and the 'b' should be inside the counter space.

The square tops of the shaded strokes should be horizontal - some of the ones on the second page are tilted.

Please move on to writing the words - I will be looking forward to them.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #260 on: April 10, 2017, 03:31:09 PM »
@flummoxed - I mentioned the video for a demonstration of the pen lift at the bottom of the stroke.

You were drawing the shaded stroke correctly, the roundness came from the exit hairline going out a bit too far to the right. As for the tapering off at the end of the shaded stroke, move your pen slightly to the right as you release pressure, this will keep the right side of the shade straight while the left side will taper in a curve to meet at a point by the time you get to the baseline. The point you touch at the base line can be a little to the right of the right side of the shade - but only a little.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #261 on: April 11, 2017, 12:37:53 AM »
@flummoxed - I mentioned the video for a demonstration of the pen lift at the bottom of the stroke.

You were drawing the shaded stroke correctly, the roundness came from the exit hairline going out a bit too far to the right. As for the tapering off at the end of the shaded stroke, move your pen slightly to the right as you release pressure, this will keep the right side of the shade straight while the left side will taper in a curve to meet at a point by the time you get to the baseline. The point you touch at the base line can be a little to the right of the right side of the shade - but only a little.

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Thanks for your patience Salman, I'll try today and post the results.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #262 on: April 11, 2017, 01:59:48 AM »
Thanks for your patience Salman, I'll try today and post the results.

It is my pleasure @flummoxed . Your structured approach is commendable and guarantees your success more than any help I can offer :-) I am glad to be a part of your journey.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #263 on: April 13, 2017, 07:38:59 PM »
@SMK
Hi Salman, here's the first set of words ( I am missing the w, will post tomorrow). Am I possibly holding my pen wrong or need to make a flange adjustment? I can "square off" but it's rarely horizontal, and since I'm trying to keep my pen angle parallel to the slant lines, I feel I can't do both simultaneously. You had mentioned to make a '7' at the tops; is that to touch up after each letter?
Thank you!! This has helped my writing tremendously with just this first group.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #264 on: April 14, 2017, 06:06:10 AM »
@SMK  The 'w' words were a bit of a struggle. They are a little less consistent, especially with the exit strokes (too wide at times), and the bottom turns.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #265 on: April 15, 2017, 04:19:57 AM »
@vonking1980

This is very nice work Yvonne. I really like the flow of your strokes, your letters have a nice rhythm to them.

I think you have learned the structure of this group and can tell when you miss the mark. This was the goal.

Let's do one round of the just the words written once each. Feel free to cut and paste together your best efforts. Pay attention to the following:

- Consistency in the longer strokes - some l's and 'b's aren't even all the way down. Try playing with writing quicker or slower to find a speed that gives you the best consistency.

- The dot of the 'i' (called a 'tittlle') should align with the top of the 't' - yours are a bit low.

As for the square tops - yes I did mean to draw a little 7 to touch up the tops. Touching up produces more consistent results than doing it in one go so it is good to have this ability in your arsenal.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #266 on: April 15, 2017, 08:06:32 AM »
@SMK Thank you so much for your encouragement and feedback, Salman.
I have attached the individual words.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #267 on: April 15, 2017, 10:21:14 AM »
I like the way you have structured your practice sheet. For expert comments I will leave it to Salman. :D

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #268 on: April 16, 2017, 06:32:08 AM »
So it had been about five months sinice I last practiced. I started practicing again a couple of weeks ago so it would be great to get some feedback.

Thanks

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« Reply #269 on: April 23, 2017, 02:16:24 AM »
@vonking1980 - nice work! Please move on to the next group.

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