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Thanks to @jeanwilson , I’ve recently been introduced to etegami, a modern era Japanese artistic approach to watercolor postcards.

I’ve added this to my ever-expanding retirement projects bucket list.  A common etegami practice is to use one’s hanko stamp to personalize their creations, so this has lead me (back) to block carving/printing and (newly) to hiragana/katakana to suss out the symbol(s) for my name.

Which has now lead me down a rabbit hole to the art and mysteries of Japanese orthography! SO MANY NEW TERMS I’d never known existed! 

Pedantry follows, though not up to the excellence of @K-2 ’s inimitable style. I was having a difficult time understanding the relationships between these terms, so I used the Mind Mapping™ technique developed by Tony Buzan circa 1974 to organize them. I’d first learned this technique in 1977 and have used it extensively in planning, organizing and learning since. Here’s the map of terms I’d encountered with the briefest of details just to give me the lay of the land.

For those knowledgeable about these things, I’d love your comments and corrections.

Everyday Handwriting | Penmanship / Re: Cursive in the newspaper
« on: May 24, 2024, 12:32:34 PM »
This was timely! My wife had suggested writing to our young grandkids (5 & 8 y.o.) telling them it is a “secret code!”  So I did.  Have. 

Spencerian Script / Re: Spencerian Signature
« on: May 21, 2024, 11:29:28 AM »
… Isn’t the purpose of writing to communicate?? If I can’t read it, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of writing?? …
These questions got me to thinking a bit philosophically this morning.

Seems to me that “communication” can have a depth of meaning. Certainly, “communicate one’s name” might be considered the highest level.  Add to that, though, other elements that might be communicated by an ornate signature like a person’s artistic creativity, unique personhood, authenticity of signed legal document, and skill with the pen! 

Many articles and advertisements in the old “Business Educator” journals laud the value of skilled penmanship both for the technical requirements of professional opportunities and what it says about the writer’s abilities. A beautiful signature might be seen as promoting these qualities.

But I’ve also seen opinions in various texts during the “Golden Age of Penmanship” decrying overly flourished writing! 

For me, I’ve been studying the ornamental Spencerian “signature writing” a lot more over the last six months, so I was immediately able to read “H G Warner” just as though I were reading a typed page.  It occurs to me that in the age when this was in vogue, the signatures would likely be just as easy to read and communicate the names as handily.  I once shared examples of this type of signature writing to my sister, and she had a very hard time reading them. 

I’d love to hear other’s thoughts on this topic!

Spencerian Script / Re: Spencerian letter
« on: April 27, 2024, 12:18:28 AM »
This is great! I love your creativity.

Tools & Supplies / Re: Troublemaker - Polar Lights
« on: April 19, 2024, 11:17:48 AM »

What a most thoughtful and memorable graduation gift!

Contrary to Wm. Shakespeare’s assertion that only breed may make defense ‘gainst Time’s scythe, this heirloom will live on through generations of that (now) young woman’s family.

Your art and calligraphy is inspirational! What is the size of this portrait?

Always a sincere pleasure to see your work.

… I am impatient (let's say I 'was").  Well, I'm getting back in the saddle and I figured what better place to come for validation vs judgment…

Oh, you’ve got a lot of validation from me, dear soul!  Though now an official senior citizen, there is an internal part of me I call “I Want It Now” that has tormented me from youth. “It” has usually meant musical, calligraphic or any other creative skill.  And it has often caused needless frustration or giving up. No judgment here!

Several years ago I read Carol Dweck’s most excellent book, “Mindset:  The New Psychology of Success” to which I attribute having stuck with learning and practicing Spencerian script now for three and a half years. Don’t misunderstand me, I don’t “have it” yet, but the old me would’ve given up after a month.

Wishing you joys and inspiration with your upcoming classes! 

Niiiice! The size of those make my carrot holder look wimpy! 

Spencerian Script / Re: Victor Horta and Spencerian
« on: March 26, 2024, 11:09:46 PM »
Gorgeous design and spaces! Thanks for sharing this Hans!

Spencerian Script / Re: Succession of m’s and n’s and of u’s
« on: March 11, 2024, 11:02:57 PM »
@Vintage_BE, you had me at:

... hellishly difficult ...

This is my experience, especially since I'm an intransigent "arm writer."  But then, everything about learning this art has been extremely challenging for me.

Spencerian Script / Re: My Signature
« on: March 11, 2024, 10:49:07 PM »
@Zivio, have you also seen the Stephen Ziller manual, Book #3, on “Card Writing” from the At Home With Artistic Penwork series? It gives some signature examples (most using Spencerian) and short notes on each. The notes might not be instructive enough for what you are wanting right now but the examples might be helpful.
Also, Book #2 “Artistic Writing” shows various connections of two or three capitals for practice.
Glad the Sull book has helped.

Oh! Yes, I actually have both of those Ziller manuals but lost track of them a bit since they are in electronic format on my iPad. I'd actually copied and pasted the capital "joins" from #2 into a more easily accessible document, and they had been helpful! I had not used or looked at #3 for quite awhile. Just taking a look again now and there are tons of great examples to study there!

Your heads up on this is very much appreciated -- THANKS!

Spencerian Script / Re: My Signature
« on: March 10, 2024, 11:15:29 AM »
Dear @Ken Fraser, this post is very timely and instructive for me!

I have been enthralled by “signature writing” of The Golden Age of Penmanship from the beginning of my own Spencerian journey just a few years ago, but it has been way beyond my skill level. 

Until recently, the only description of the technique I’d encountered was in Michael & Debra Sull’s “Learning to Write Spencerian Script,” where they but touch briefly on the topic. Michael’s newest “Sull’s Manual of Advanced Penmanship” goes into more detail. In particular, he describes three approaches to joining the majuscules: overlapping joins, natural joins and direct joins. This alone demystified what had otherwise been incomprehensible to me, and I’ve now enjoyed studying historical examples with “new eyes” to identify these techniques and understand the process a bit better. I have also just begun putting in some daily time sketching ideas for my own signature which also begins with a “K” (initials “KAS”).  So far I’ve seen far too few examples with “K” as the starting letter, and I like your treatment! 

It will yet be a while before I’m satisfied with the flow and balance of my own creation, and then a longer while before I can execute it, but I’m now feeling as though it will be possible.

There will not be sufficient years of practice remaining for me ever to gain your level of experience and skill, but I do continue to learn from your virtuosity and am grateful you share it here with us!

Introductions / Re: Hi everybody
« on: February 25, 2024, 11:22:55 PM »
Welcome, @mkmakam!  You will indeed fine valuable help here, both through scanning the archives as well as posting any questions you may have. 


Introductions / Re: hello from a new and uncertain member
« on: February 25, 2024, 11:20:04 PM »
@total_newbie  Welcome! I agree with Erica that you most definitely should be here. The interests, level of skill, time available for practice, curiosity, etc. is as varied as the 10,000 some odd members here. And speaking for myself, you'll find some odd members.  ;D

Please do feel free to post questions or ideas or whatever it is about handwriting that interests you!


Kind Critique / Re: Nay worries - I can take it.
« on: February 25, 2024, 12:09:52 AM »
... Also, don't forget, you will go through periods where you feel like your work is looking great and then all of a sudden nothing looks good. That is a big part of the learning process ...

OK, so I needed this. 

Spencerian Script / Re: Succession of m’s and n’s and of u’s
« on: February 21, 2024, 12:45:47 PM »
I might add that in the “ Spencerian Standard Writing” exemplar, it bears out your thought that the connecting stroke between letters might be a bit steeper. My feeling is that the naturally occurring compound curve between such letters requires some change in the geometry.

This also shows the 1-1/4 space between letters, except when going into the lowercase a, g, q, etc.

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