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The Ford "r"
« on: September 02, 2024, 05:22:54 PM »
@Zivio  I beat you to it.  :P

We must have been spending the day in the same manner. I have spent all of the day on archive.org looking at old lettering journals and books. I discovered this in C.P. Zaner's "The Arm Movement Method of Rapid Writing."
It looks like this "murmur" is the one featured in the Tamblyn instructor.

Notice Zaner does not distinguish the use of this r to just at the end of a word.

Now for the Roundhand, I know I have seen mention of it somewhere. When I come across it, I will post. I feel like something tickling the back of my brain about it being distinguished as a "French r." But I could be remembering wrong.

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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2024, 06:15:30 PM »
Oh my goodness - time well spent today!

I found this lesson on the lowercase r and it details the "practical r."  This comes from John Wesley Farr's book, "Farrian Complete Penmanship." This was published in 1894. But what is curious is the entire alphabet is identical to Spencerian but Mr. Farr has named it Farrian. He makes no mention of Spencer in his text and states, "It is the outcome of ten years' experience in teaching the Art of Penmanship."

No. 6. When should the "practical r" be used: "It should always be used when it is preceded by a horizontal curve as in the small letters b, o, v, and w."

In any event, another mystery solved!
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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2024, 11:09:33 AM »
I just realized Mr. Farr was phonetically spelling the letters in the title!  ;D So ‘r’ is Ar and ‘q’ is Ku.  ;D
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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2024, 01:19:14 PM »
Oh, I like Farr’s little Q&A “rules” (Ku & Ay), but not so much the shameless rebranding of Spencerian. ;D   I don’t think he was the only one, though.  Oh well, everyone’s gotta eat.

His rule for the “practical r” after “eyelette letters” makes a lot of sense to me. 

As for rules, I love Father Spencer’s own comment on this:

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"In presenting definite rules for the proper formation of letters, it is not designed to confine the skill and ingenuity of the writer within narrow limits, nor to prevent the exercise of peculiar tastes. We desire, rather, to encourage individuality of style, so far as may be consistent with
propriety ..."

Farr’s comments about learning ambidexterously caught my attention! Early in my learning I’d encountered Diego Irigoyen’s encouragement for boosting penmanship skills by writing with both hands. His e-book goes on to describe the benefits for using both hands for many different physical skills. I did practice my penmanship with both hands for awhile, but decided that at my age there’s only a limited amount of time to learn, and maybe I should just focus on my dominant hand! Still, I love studying the science of learning and human potential, and think it may have value.

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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2024, 09:39:18 PM »
So interesting! I do all of my computer work with my left hand (mousing, drawing, etc.) and non-computer work with my right. Keeps me balanced. Look at Kalo Chu on Instagram - she does backward (mirror) writing with her non-dominant hand as meditation. It’s pretty amazing!
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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2024, 07:29:46 AM »
In my writing, I use both forms of the letter r as the mood takes me. There are many examples of both forms in the Universal Penman dated 1740, often in the same body of text, so in that regard I am in good company!
Some of the examples I found are :- Joseph Champion pages 203 and 191 - Nathanial Dove pages 201 and 192 - John Holdman page 196 _ George Bickham Page 194 - E Austin page 130 - Gabriel brown page 36
As they were written in English Roundhand (Copperplate) c1740, they presumably pre-date Ford! Obviously, this has nothing to do with Spencerian.
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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2024, 06:50:08 PM »
Great examples Ken, thank you! I will be paying closer attention to the 'r' in various works going forward.

We called it the "Ford r" in jest as it is used in Ford's logo (which has also erroneously been attributed as having its foundation in Spencerian - which we know is not true). I, myself, did not know its real name, "the practical r" until discovering this text.

Thanks again for sharing the examples.  :)
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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2024, 09:53:43 PM »

This is very interesting thread and thank you Erica for this.
 "Ford r. and SPENCERIAN  r " is already a good topic.

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2024, 10:36:47 AM »
I am presently working on minuscule r’s!  I have always written them as a regular, cursive “r”.  I have finally come to recognize that most Copperplate scribes pen a much more complex, multi-stroke “r”.  Geeze, Louise!  You think you know something only until someone proves to you that you don’t!  I look at accomplished penmen (I’m looking at you @Ken Fraser, @Erica McPhee, @schin, @AnasaziWrites, etc.!)  and wonder if I’m EVER going to get to the point where they are!  I swear that I really am trying to learn & improve!! 

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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2024, 05:51:37 PM »
Yes, they are always multistroke. In fact, Baird mentions in his lessons that one should lift the pen at both the baseline and the midline every time. Constructed strokes, not written like cursive. It seems daunting at first but really does make it easier in the long run.

I just posted about the lowercase r in Engrosser's Script.

Practice makes progress.  :)
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Re: The Ford "r"
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2024, 05:17:45 PM »
So, the problem that I have with most Copperplate miniscule “r”s is that my eyes don’t “read” them as “r”. - I see “v”, or indecipherable.  Since I’m trying to communicate, that doesn’t make much sense to me.  I’m pouring over my exemplars, looking for one that maybe communicates better to an unsophisticated reader what letter it is!

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