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Tools & Supplies / Re: Newbie- Here's what I have to start.
« on: March 20, 2015, 12:39:37 PM »
Thanks Star

I'll send PM you my address. If you send me yours, I could drop a few samples the nibs I have.

I will definitely drop into staples and pickup a pack of the lazer paper.

I checked DeSerres online. They don't have Sumi ink, but this is some of what they do have. They all seem to be $7-$9 for 30ml with the FW being the cheapest at $7. The FW is also acrylic, which I am thinking would be better starting out do to ease of cleaning a caring.

Colorex
Liquitex
FW
Sennelier
Winsor & Newton
IZink

For the nibs, I gave that thread a quick look. There are a number of recommendations for Hunt nibs. I am going to read it a little closer and compare to what DeSerres carries.

Thanks for the help

Darrin



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Tools & Supplies / Newbie- Here's what I have to start.
« on: March 20, 2015, 11:43:50 AM »
Good day everyone. I thought that I posted this last night, but it was right at the end of the night and I must have not hit "Post" before closing the laptop. I'll give it another try.

Here is a list of what I currently have. I really don't know anything about the nibs, and have not had much luck on the internet.

I have attached a few pictures of what I have.

Image 1- Sprott No22 - I was lucky and found these on kijiji, about 10 full boxes in the original display carton.

Image 2- Bogue Buffalo Pencil Co. No551 - I picked up this almost full box at Scriptus in Toronto

Image 3- Bogue Buffalo Pencil Co. No116 - I have 9 of these. They were in a little Sucretts tin I picked up at Scriptus.

Image 4- Bogue Buffalo Pencil Co. No58 - There were 4 of these in the little same little tin.

Image 5- These are my first holders that I made. The oblique is made from cherry, with a Zanarian style flange held in with a toothpick. It has a friction polish finish.
                The second is a straight holder with a metal insert to hold the nib. It is made from Peruvian Walnut. I used a tung oil finish, but hate it. It still feels tacky after two months.

Image 6- This is the little Succrets tin I picked up at Scriptus. It just had a bunch of nibs tossed in it like the ones above. It also had one "hunt 513Ef" and a "C.M.&St. No3 stub", both of which have some minor corrosion. There was also a bunch of sewing pins (with a ball head) and a small round piece of metal rod. I have since figured out that the rod is for shaping an oblique flange and the pins were probably used to secure the flange in the holder.

For ink, I have a bottle of Private Reserve "Lake Placid Blue" fountain pen ink. I also have 3 different colours of BlackStone powder ink, done at about a 90ml ratio.

For paper I'm using the standard white 20lb that I use in my printer.

I have also downloaded the Pointed Pen Lesson 1, worksheets.


I gave this a try last night while I was working at the little Artisan Store, it was very quiet in the mall. I used the oblique holder with one of the No.551 nibs and the PR ink. Well to put it mildly, it felt like a disaster. I was able to make a hairline, and I could apply a little pressure with my index finger and get a slightly wider line. However I could not do both within the same stroke. No matter how hard I tried, if I was making a wide stroke (start of a u) and eased up to go to a hairline (up stroke of the u), there was no difference in the width. I could do a complete hairline u, down and up.
But no matter how light I let up trying to do both, it stayed wide. Its almost like, once I spread the tines for the wide stroke, the nib would just not stop dropping ink until I lifted the pen. I finally gave up in frustration, at least until I know what's going on.

I did prep the nib, using the saliva and Kleenex method. I know the ink and paper I'm using is not really right for this, but I didn't think it would be that big of an issue. Is this me, and I just need to practice a whole lot more, or is it more likely a combination of the ink and paper. Could it be the type of nib I'm using, I know the Nikko G and Hiro 41 seem to be recommended. As I said before, I couldn't find any reference to my nibs online so I don't know how they compare to the recommended nibs. I don't want to continue practicing if its the materials, I want this to be a fun experience, not a frustrating one.

This is why I listed what I have available right now. I dropped by our local Michaels store, but they had no pointed nibs and only a Speedball straight holder. The only ink they had was Speedball acrylic ink, and I wasn't sure if that was what I needed. At $9 a bottle I figured I would be better starting out with my Private Reserve ink. I am going to be in Ottawa at the end of the month, and they have two Wallacks art stores but their website doesn't show what they carry. They also have a DeSerres and their website does show calligraphy supplies. For nibs, they only seem to have some Hunt mapping nibs. They carry ink, but I honestly have no clue as to which one would be better for a beginner like me, I don't want to break the bank. I do plan on picking a few things up when I'm up in Ottawa,  anyone can give me some tips.

Because of shipping, taxes and exchange rate, I didn't really want to order online until I know a little bit more of what I'm doing and what I need.

Thanks for reading.

Darrin

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Introductions / Re: Hello from Chilly Ontario, Canada
« on: March 20, 2015, 09:50:31 AM »
Thank you everyone for the welcome.

Welcome to FF Darrin. I had half a table at Scriptus with a few of my oblique holders - did you stop by?

Salman

Honestly, Scriptus was essentially my first show, and a little overwhelming. I did stop by one calligraphy table and spoke to a gentleman about courses in Toronto. Was that you? Unfortunately, the 300km drive makes it a little difficult.
At the time of the show, I wasn't really looking into dip pens, more of a curiosity. Who knows, maybe subconciously that is what triggered my interest. I know I saw some incredible calligraphy samples.

I'm going to be at the show again this year, but this time as a vendor. I am planing to bring my custom Fountain pens. You never know, hopefully I will have a few nib holders as well.

Hi Darrin! That was a quite the story...an interesting one at that! :) I'm in Toronto. Love this forum. This is the perfect place to get you started with calligraphy. Erica's tutorials are a labor of love that so many have benefited from, and the group support here is a rare gem. Hope you have a blast!

Thanks Starlee. With everything I have on the go, it will likely be a slow process, but it does look like fun. Maybe I'll see you at Scriptus this year.

Darrin


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Tools & Supplies / Re: Getting tools and supplies in Canada
« on: March 19, 2015, 10:29:51 PM »
This is good to hear. Michaels is the only store here in Brockville.

I'm going to be in Ottawa at the end of the month. I plan on dropping into Deserres. I need a few starter supplies.Does Wallacks carry anything? I know there's a Wallacks in Kingston (45min away) and two in Ottawa.

Thanks
Darrin

I haven't found much either. I usually wait until I have quite a few things I need and order from John Neal Bookseller. Although DeSerres do have a few things and kits. I am not sure what they offer online, but some stores sell individual nibs. I have found Hunt 101, 22, 56 at the St-Laurent shopping center location in Ottawa.

Michael's is usually a bust, plus they are so overpriced that unless you have one of those 40% or 50% coupons, I find it's not worth the trouble. Of course that is now the only art store we have in Timmins. Urgh.

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Introductions / Hello from Chilly Ontario, Canada
« on: March 19, 2015, 06:49:02 PM »
Hello for chilly (-14C this morning) Ontario, Canada.
Lyn Ontario, just outside Brockville, for those other Canucks that are interested.

When I joined this group, the sign said say hello and tell us a little about yourself. Well here we go.

To begin with, I have never really tried my hand at calligraphy. Actually, up until a few years ago, I only used a pen for notes, lists and forms. I did all my correspondence with a computer, either email or typed and printed letters. Even way back in school, I hated cursive writing.

Well a few years back, I retired after 26 years of military service. Still young enough to work, but not for someone else. I took up my old love of woodworking, to bring in a little extra. Through a series of happy circumstances and events, I became a custom pen turner. This was how I learned about fountain pens.

When I began making the "kit" fountain pens, I realized I knew nothing about them. So my research started and I discovered that Fountain Pens were far from dead. My research lead me to a small group in our nations capital, the Ottawa Fountain Pen Society (OFPS). After a couple of emails to their president, George, he invited me to a meeting to ask all the questions I wanted. It was only an hour and a half drive, and its a good excuse to stop in to see my sister. At 7 o'clock the evening of the meeting I pulled into the parking lot of the meeting hall they were using. I didn't realize that this was my equivalent to Alice walking up to the edge of the rabbit hole. Needless to say I met some wonderful people that evening, and found out that a fountain pen writes far more elegantly than a ballpoint. Now you can picture me falling down the rabbit hole.

Fast forward, I am now into my third year as an OFPS member. I have a few pens in my collection, and I carry a fountain pen with me everyday. My pen making has now moved into the world of fully handmade custom fountain pens.

Now your probably saying, "What's this have to do with Calligraphy?". Lets step back again a few months. I am sitting quietly in the small artisan shop where I sell some of my work (part of the deal, is you have to work a shift or two behind the counter). A lovely lady comes in and notices the fountain pens on the shelf. We get discussing the idea that the fountain pen is experiencing a comeback. Next thing you know, she asks if I have ever done a nib holder. She then explains to me that Calligraphy is not dying either. When she was finished, I was intrigued. I looked around a little bit saw a few holders, and thought I could make those. Well, like I said before, I won't make something unless I understand it. I picked up some inserts for straight holders checked out some internet images for shape ideas. A lucky deal on kijiji got me an origional retail display box, almost full, of boxes of Sprott No.22 nibs. I played around a little bit using bottled fountain pen ink. This was on and off for a few months, to many other things on the go, and I was not having a lot of luck making anything on paper look good.

Now a couple of weeks ago, someone points me at "Yoke Pen Co". Well, from one pen maker to another,  Christophers work is freeking amazing. Compared to the little sticks I turned to hold those Sprott nibs, his oblique holders are gorgeous and elegant. Not to mention, that oblique holders look really cool. I decided, that I had to try to make one of those.

Now the research starts in earnest. To understand the holders, I couldn't just look at the holders being made, I started watching how the holders were used. This lead me to a few videos by Dr Vitollo. Watching people elegantly produce beautiful works of art, it seemed so beautiful, relaxing and fulfilling. While my hand writing is horrible, this is mostly lack of use, I realized that I wanted to give pointed pen calligraphy a try. Next thing you know I'm researching more on the writing than the holders. This led me here and to "Pointed Pen Nirvana".

I guess you could say, I fell into a rabbit hole that led me to the wonderland of fountain pens. Now, inside that wonderland, I am standing at the edge of another hole. No falling this time though, I'm jumping in with pleasure.

So I have made up my first oblique holder and I have a little tin of new/old nibs that I aquired at the Scriptus Pen Show. I have a bottle of fountain pen ink and I've downloaded the Pointed Pen Lesson 1 worksheets. I have a million questions, but that is for another post.

I look forward to watching and learning from all the wonderful artists here.
Thanks for having me.

Darrin

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