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Tools & Supplies / Re: Nib recognition
« on: February 22, 2024, 08:03:11 PM »
Thank you Andrew for this very informative PDF. They are quite enjoyable to go through  in to the golden years of dip pen history. Thank you for the share.

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Tools & Supplies / Re: Oblique pen holders for EU residents
« on: February 21, 2024, 08:46:08 PM »
I truly agree with you @Vintage_BE  :) about your point of view on pen holders and what are they and how they are made.

I have several replica of vintage pen holders  made by 3D print versions by Christopher York. They are cheaper in plastic than on real wood. So I bought them just to test and try the shapes. They don't feel like good pens in hand and nothing to compared to real wooden holders.

To my openion every wood pen gives a different experience in different pens ( Nibs ) when you interchange them to write. I have some wood holders from  well known moderate priced brands . They are really worth  money for what I have paid for .

The pen holders you are talking here looks good for sure. 

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Introductions / Re: Hallo from HOLLAND
« on: January 24, 2024, 06:35:04 PM »
Hello Mike , welcome to the forum.  :D
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.I m really not into sloping script as I like writing straight....
perhaps Blackletter if its  suitable for beginners please advice......really look forward to meeting you on my journey here. Thanks for reading my post.."

I think you enter the form as  someone not liking SLOPING SCRIPTS " ... but I assure you many of us came here as you and got ended up getting to that rabbit hole of many " Sloping wonderland. "  ;D

Give it a little time and you'll understand what  I men by that.
Big welcome to the Forum. and Greetings  from London.



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General How To's & Projects / Re: how to see your nibs numbers and names
« on: January 24, 2024, 06:25:28 PM »
Good ideas and thinking. They are very helpful. What I do  is using an Optical Loupe that I was using to check my Photographic Negatives.
It is a great tool too to look at my pens, nibs and Looking into  some macro details. Nib tines alignments etc.  ;D There are cheaper Loupes in plastic ( made in china )  that is enough quality to serve the purpose of using in small tasks.

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Flourish Forum News / Re: Is it Really Free?
« on: January 22, 2024, 08:27:48 AM »
I am revisiting this thread and say hello to everyone who joins this conversation and give a big themb up to @Erica McPhee again for this heartfelt share she  offer for the Calligraphy community .
THANK YOU ERICA  :D

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Broad Edge Pen Calligraphy / Re: Death’s Head Hawkmoth
« on: January 15, 2024, 12:36:01 PM »
Beauty done piece @Erica McPhee !!!! :D

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Sadly this is about an  epic war story  of  lost  correspondences  that  never reached. recipients  :o

This is an interesting story  about writing and this has happened during 250 years back in time .
Overall story to this incident has revealed deeper philosophical knowledge about writing related to the era and it  shows how was their  writing  skills.   These correspondence about on a  Seven Years' War got lost to the recipients of French Soldiers on a ship and later opened 250 years later.
This article was published By BBC and it was about  Letters confiscated by Britain's Royal Navy before they reached French sailors during the Seven Years' War have been opened for the first time.
I am leaving the Link here .
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67341309?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA ---the link to the English publishing and  ( In this BBC article)  dose not analyse far more depth into the contents of the letters writing during this period.
But it is interesting  to go into the original FRENCH Article so see another perspective.  The original article in French shows how 250 years back their literacy in writing age the nature and skills, thinking they  put into papers by writing.

So the original article has an analysing  about the writing style related to the time and  the story of what happened at the same time  looking  into the minds that got involved in writing those materials . Quite fascinating story for me.

LINK TO THE FRENCH PUBLISHING HERE.  Here is the original article in French, which goes in details about the creative spelling/ grammar of most of the letter, which were often dictated and jotted down phonetically :
The article can be translated using browser translation: (If you speak French then you understand the difference. (So I suggest you can try to Use GOOGLe translation in the Original Article in French)

https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/scienc...he_225362.html

These two article get a story.,but  the original FRENCH article say the story and  more about the correspondents and their skills they had during the period of  writing happened. It connects to the history in writing.   
It is a fascinating historical slice in the evolution in writing, the level of the humanity has it's progression in writing to our Day to our time.

I am adding some part in the original article here which is in French.  In some where it says ( « La plupart des correspondants n’utilisent pas de ponctuation, ne capitalisent pas les mots, ne séparent pas les phrases et ne structurent pas le texte en paragraphes.)
MY TRANSLATION INTO THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE ARTICLE IS .... " most of the correspondence don't use pronunciation , don't Capitalise words, do not separate the phrase, do not structure the texts in paragraphs".
 So this a a way back into our writing skills in France . 
Some of the Original correspondence hand-written  >>>>

« Je vous prie denevouslesser ma manquer deriens pour conServer Vôtre Santé mon cheres mary qu’il mes cher quetous Les biens, du monde ». Dans ces missives souvent émouvantes se mêlent amour, soucis matériels, jalousie et simple inquiétude pour un proche parti depuis des mois en mer. Mais le moins que l’on puisse en dire sur la forme, c’est que le respect de l’orthographe et de la grammaire n’est pas perçu comme une condition essentielle de la conversation.

« Pas de l’illettrisme au sens strict »

« La plupart des correspondants n’utilisent pas de ponctuation, ne capitalisent pas les mots, ne séparent pas les phrases et ne structurent pas le texte en paragraphes. L’écriture est assez basique, souvent phonétique, l’orthographe erratique et le vocabulaire limité » explique ainsi le chercheur au HuffPost. La grammaire et la ponctuation sont rares, qu’il s’agisse de l’accord au pluriel ou des virgules. On est là, parfois, dans la phonétique.

Mon tres cher epou je suis for surprise et enpainne desavoir dou vien votre yndiferances de neglige de me donne de vos cher nouvelle que jaspire plus que toutte chause du monde je nê pances pas mon cher maitre attire votre disgraces ama bandonne jusque a ce poin la cepandan que lon ma dite que vous ettie bien encolerre contre moy.
Bien sûr, il faut d’abord prendre en compte la période historique. À l’époque où ces lettres sont écrites, l’analphabétisme dans la population française est en baisse continue chez les femmes comme les hommes, mais elle vient tout juste de descendre sous les 50 % chez les Français en général. Pour beaucoup, en particulier dans les campagnes, écrire soi-même est donc impossible.
Hope this will get you back into our time machine in 250 Years back ... 8)  :P amazing story  about our Himanity and writing.

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Show & Tell / Re: Knowledge
« on: January 12, 2024, 12:53:27 PM »
@Ken ,This is a real piece of art and If I am not mistaken this kind of writing is called" Cartouche' in calligraphy flourishing. 
This piece has lot of steps in designing , layout and then , retouching and finishing. Many hours in time to produce of course.
I like to mention here The CARTOUCHE  is a borrowed word from French. It is similar word in English as stencil ( in drawing or Cloth designing / modelling cloths. Also a bullets in a gun  ;D 


I have a question... do you have a method to do a work in enlarging a ... say a coping a frame ( decorative , simple frame ) into a final bigger size and using it as a CHARTREUSE to lay out some words as quote.
What tools you may use ? Light board using a layout paper  and is there is any tools for enlarging process. Thank you for some of your thoughts on your master skills perspective.

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@analovestowrite  and @Miranda_J
 You are both right. This is the Engrossers Scripts which is the more decorative version of the  original Copperplate or English round hand.
 
Well it is quite interesting  invitation from Emanuel Macron to someone to a participation ceremony or a party. ( They don't call those things as Parties but ceremony when they are done by the politicians  ::))   
But there no signature here .
I have referred the writing to a Zanarian Manuel PDF I have. True  I was also bit confused  it French round hand as those scrips are really 'round ".
This hand is really a hardcore  calligraphy as it needs real lot and lots of training and practice. Copperplate and the Engrosser's scrips is the most hi-end calligraphy for me. The most beautiful and the must  do " lettering " in the discipline of Calligraphy. 
 :D

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This look rather "Copperplate version of a French Round Hand"  scripts  to me. It is exceptionally  beautiful. I like to here from others as well.

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Tools & Supplies / Re: Diamine Inkvent 2023
« on: December 30, 2023, 06:56:32 PM »
I love Diamine ink. I have a small collection of fountain inks in Diamine.I love  the Inkvent collection series.
This series of 2023 is quite interesting My preference is colours is always in red /Brown and / Green. So I guess there are some interesting combinations in this year INKVENT creation.
Thank your Mike for  the share! ;D 
 

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Everyday Handwriting | Penmanship / Re: Cursive is back
« on: December 30, 2023, 06:42:26 PM »
It is something lovely to see this is happening around .
Audio tapes are coming back.
There are many Analogue loud speakers in production if you are willing to throw some big bucks to connec THEM t to a TUBE AMPLIFIER  TOO  :D
Hi Fi Vinyl disks had come back.
Still there are lovely books are being printed on great classic top quality papers too  :o :D
Analouge photography  ( Base on analogue films) is coming back.
Fountain pens and Gip pen Nibs are still getting popular, ( But it is unfortunate no one think or cares of producing a good quality dip pen nibs  that can be compared to the oldest Vintage or Antique dip pen we used to have. )
Yes these are signs of good things that shows that world is changing but still we have better choices if you are willing to go in any directions.

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Many older scripts  seems gone through a mutation. These rare signs come up  to show the whole connection to the historic art writing their connection they had in golden days.
This card shows a major relationship of the copperplate or English round hand had a good popularity or DOMINANT in writing. Is this first  Old German writing scripts  ( Is that the right word ??? I wonder) 
My question  Is the chicken came first of the egg?  ;D
Quite interesting thread this is !! Love once we talked about Ken's  writing of" W" first and then this "W "  and it's combination of N' " and "V"

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Spencerian Script / Re: Writing with an Unique Oblique
« on: December 30, 2023, 11:23:28 AM »
Beautiful Spencerian with a beautiful pen. Many pens seems like unique. I am going after many style oblique pens.
 My calligraphy tools always seems always not enough.  ;) it is always accumulating. Is  it a real problem????  :P well it is a big   GAS in many art field of passion.
I guess I have a bunch of pen holders and "vintage pen collection"  and "Ink collection" too beside my calligraphy.
I am really enjoying this Passion though. Today I have  received a  new calligraphy supply directly from John Neil Book seller's that included two Oblique pens and a rare Music Calligraphy nib and some American Dip Inks   ( Some Ziller and Mc.Caffery's ink)
Well their included  catalogue make me another list in my wish-list to go very soon.
@Ken Fraser your writing  and the accompanied pen seem very unique indeed.

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Show & Tell / Re: How old am I?
« on: December 24, 2023, 04:54:01 PM »
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEN , WISH YOU MANY MANY MORE YEARS OF WRITING... WHAT EVERY NUMBERS ARE BEING ADDED AS YEARS TO OUR AGES. Bless you with many more writings to come out as new perceptions of skills.

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