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Favorite Resources / Re: International Shipping Info from John Neal Books
« on: February 05, 2023, 07:02:48 PM »
This is an old post but I like to add something.  I just bought a Black well oblique  pen holder and it is something unique I wanted to try. I am waiting to get it soon.
So I ordered the pen holder  and have seen many books but `I hesitated as we are subjected to high charges  for export  tax and some import tax from our end too.
So I wait for another time to go through the books etc. I am sure that place is the best for books.

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Tools & Supplies / Re: Diamine Inkvent 2022
« on: February 05, 2023, 11:03:36 AM »
Lovely work and lovely this colours. Very impressive. :)

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Thank you @Erica McPhee ,,
I am so silly I did not read the  first heading post you did with the  link.
Yes I am a bit silly . I agree I did not read but just studied your work. So it clearly says about ProCreate .
It is very well done. 
By the way I wan't to get into that but I need a iPad. ( I already have a very  very old I pad but it is mostly dead  :P so I need to up grade to a Pro series.  But Unlike older days I never buy a brand new or latest version .
I was once an idiot  and I always bought  the latest. Not any more I.  Never ever but any latest Apple products.  I buy the older versions and see I could do what I want.EX. Recently last month I bought my iMac update ( an Older version ) and it will again run for another 8 years ahead. As a photographer  I bought My First Leica ( during 1998 as a second hand ) and  it will be as it is until I my last age.  ;D but I am waiting to choose  an iPad Pro  to do DiGITAL CALLIGRAPHY. I have seen many work on digital  and very impressive.
But I am heavily  investing into manual calligraphy yet, and learn the organic  writing and I know digital work is "" PEA NUTS ""  in many essence in a skilful hand.

Thank you Erica I always appreciate  your impressive work. Cheerssss!!!-Cyril

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@Erica McPhee . I am revisiting to -do study on your series . What ink you used here please.
Is it Ecoline Water-base Ink. ??? Beautiful hair lines too..

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Lovely work.  ;D very classic vision.

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Flourishing / Re: A Christmas Themed Flourish.
« on: January 23, 2023, 07:15:32 AM »
Lovely thread and I have come here a bit late. But I must say all of your work is very interesting. Lovely work @AnasaziWrites and @RoughDiamond . Beautiful

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Tools & Supplies / Re: Diamine Inkvent 2022
« on: December 03, 2022, 08:28:39 PM »
@K-2
Beautiful work and lovely ink and thank you for share these talents.
Yule log ink seems to be more appealing to me as I am a fan of brown inks !!!!

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Tools & Supplies / Re: Writing on unglazed gingerbread?
« on: November 18, 2022, 11:14:47 AM »
Amazing   ;D

I have something to share here. Some times some people are doing things amazingly in a simple way but of course it needs more developed skills to do it.
Here is one of my favourite  pastry chefs who decorate all the pastry plates before  they go into every table. He is French  and it is a bit unfortunate here he speaks only in French ( normally he speaks in English too ) Hope still we don't want to have language to understand the  artistic aspect. He use only melted chocolate / cocoa butter+ food colouring  in his recipe  of the chocolate paint. That pencil is a corne made out of parchment paper.
I think we can achieve the same results with Royal Icing provided  that the temperature is controlled to keep it smooth writing. There are electric Bain-marie to keep the chocolate  in one temperature 



And then  using Cocoa butter colouring..


One more how to write with chocolate.



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Tools & Supplies / Re: Writing on unglazed gingerbread?
« on: November 09, 2022, 07:25:51 PM »
It is difficult to do writing on such small scale on ginger bread. It could be dark/white chocolate writing but on glazed surfaces. The most practical  way on plain Gingerbread is classic "Royal icing".
That can be done on several "piping corns " made of parchment / baking/ Owen / silicon papers used in party kitchens. Those piping corns are used for writing BIRTHDAY /ANNIVERSARY/ MESSAGES ON CAKES OR ON PLATES. Some use  clear plastic  clear Acetate sheets   (They are basically used on Chocolate  transferring decorations works ) to make "writing corns" and they are like needle point to do fine writing. When writing with chocolate need to maintain the  precise temperature in the melted chocolate to have a smooth writing and  to  get fast crystallising of writing.
I am a party  Chef  and I have some experience in chocolate  and pastry writing!!!       ;D

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Thank you, @K-2 !!!!!!

That is very mouthful one might say  ;D.. for me you have already given here whole essence of ritual of how to hit the nail. Now I know all I am doing is wrong. I have about or more than 50 strait pen holders. They are all with a nib. (mostly with different nibs) they are part of the new nibs I find/ or buy as a lot then keep one on a holder for discovering a type of quality writing they give me. So that holder becomes a kind of permanent one for some times. I never use the same type of nibs on several holders. ( Yes unless there are ones refurbished from a Bach so I want to use first to save the best    for later)
So none of these nibs removed cleaned and stored separately as you said. Now I understand  I am compliantly wrong and I am suddenly scared and need to looking into all of those holders too.
This habit too is associated with my oblique pens of which I was talking about.
Now I understand I have to remove all those nibs and clean/dry and store in a box. I like using WD40/ I have a can, but never used it for storing but for cleaning some rusty nibs corrosions.
I'll consider using "mineral oil" and WD40.

So I have to think of leaving all the Oblique holders clean and free when storing. I have found many of my straight-holder's nib sections are rusty. Now I see the origin of the problem. They all need to keep dry and clean of ink and water.
Your point in using a ULTRASONIC BATH is a practical method to clean pens and parts of sophisticate items. I need to invest in a cheap machine too. ( Noted and thank you ) 

Thank you for all the details of Ink and types of inks and their effect to ware-out the nibs. I am at the time using my own home made walnut ink for my  daily drills and practices . I learn that is the only ink keep the longevity of a nib better. I have many fountain pen inks too and I have also chosen just Sumi ink(Moon Palace ) as an alternative better  writing.
I might use an iron gail ink and definitely  use a cheap modern nib to work with that.  I like to try that "Diamine Registry" one day and use Zibra / Nikko G or any modern nibs from my sample collections I have some where.
It is a good point again not to sand-cleaning the nib. I have a very worn-out Sandpaper and it barely  feel sanding when I work on that. but I can see the rust is transferring onto the paper when you do it for long minutes. So I use Rubbing alcohol to clean the nib. that is how I do. As you say each nib has a technology  of metal coating on every nib to have a smooth flowing of ink while it works on writing to generate a variable line according to the pressure  ons use. So as for after sanding.. my writing, I don't  feel any change of quality of my line width difference  as all my writing are  on Mono Line  ;D at the time. 

""Maybe you'd be surprised by how many nibs active calligraphers go through when we're practicing or working often and regularly.  I mean, there's a reason you can buy nibs by the gross (and ink by the barrel)...""

This is an area that we Newbees have never known or unseen. True and am I ready for that??? Before that I have many more other  thought to tackle  fight with.
Understand why we need to buy Nibs by Gross or lots and it has also mentioned in older hand books and manuals also.

Dear K-2 I, really value your long kind thought and loooooooog explanations. It is so kind of you to put that time to share your experience. I am sure this will be very headful for many as well.
 Thank you and all My love joy and peace..

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Inktober 2022 / Re: Day 22 - 2022 HEIST
« on: October 30, 2022, 12:51:28 PM »
Still away from home but had a moment to work on learning the Dread Letter “H.”


See what “i” did there?  :D
@Zivio I am really proud  of your improvements and your writing level is well seen in this thread.
I must say  a big Bravo.

No pain no pleasure and I am still keep on getting more pain to get my level too. :D Take great care and keep filling more lines !!!

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Inktober 2022 / Re: Day 26 - 2022: ego
« on: October 30, 2022, 12:46:08 PM »



gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous, @Erica McPhee -- if I could draw an E and g like that I'd have lots of reasons to strut.

@AnasaziWrites - I love that image.  I might like to do a drawing from it sometime.  Would that be okay?

Today I started off thinking - "Hey, I've never drawn a picture of a peacock before; I love drawing birds; I bet that would be fun!"  (Also I had a long meeting to doodle through). Truth to tell, I kind of hate this drawing.  It's overworked and under-conceptualized, and I kind of got tired of it before I really figured out how I wanted to go about it.  Oh well.  We're all showing experimental work here.  It turns out that maybe I don't like peacocks as much as I thought I did.  I should have drawn a peahen.

Very nice work K-2 , I always admire your Inky Drawing. Great visions and stories within very work. 

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Inktober 2022 / Re: Day 19 - 2022: PONYTAIL
« on: October 30, 2022, 12:41:42 PM »
Hi everyone! it's 2AM (on October 20th)
This morning, I had this glorious idea of minimalist cards with greetings written in French Roundhound with walnut ink and a simple gilded drawing. Well, I tried all sorts of things tonight and couldn't get anywhere close to what I wanted.

So, I practiced on "Ponytail", using gold leaf and miniatum ink.
If you have ideas or advice on what ornaments might best suit French Roundhand, please share! I think I prefer the first 2 (vines and butterflies), and the wee ornaments in general, rather than the larger ones.

@Zivio this forum is becoming an important part of my calligraphy journey too, and I am incredibly grateful @Erica McPhee. And @K-2 , I really want to thank you for getting me on the Inktober train! These past two weeks have incredibly encouraging and have given me a chance to grow in doing what I love, with awesome camaraderie too!

@AnasaziWrites so glad you brought up the Flintstones, I need to find cups like that :D

Lovely work and... trés trés  beau travaille!!! ;D
Mercy pour partagée!!!!   

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Inktober 2022 / Re: DAY 29 - 2022: Uh-Oh
« on: October 30, 2022, 12:33:39 PM »
Lots of uh-oh's here. Dittography in the Erica envelope, haplography in the Lupfer piece, misspelling misnumering, blobs, upsidedown envelopes, wrong addressee, wrong address, running out of space on an envelope or piece, smudges, and on and on. I have a whole box of this stuff. The Odom envelope took 4 tries (the record is seven). I save this stuff to practice using different inks on similar envelopes. Sometimes "uh-oh turns into oh s#*@. I should have stopped the Lupfer pice after themistake i line one, but didn't beccaus that mistake was correctable. Not so in the last line--couldn't fit the "and" in before running out of space. Atleast I wasn't working on vellum, like the old scribes.

And then there is the intentional mistake (uh-oh) meant to send a message, as in one of my earlier Inktober posts, meant to say that it's ok to post something with a mistake, or something that is not "perfect." or even good. You all were too kind not to mention it. (That will be corrected after the end of Inkvent 2022.)

Lovely work Mike !!  ;D

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Inktober 2022 / Re: DAY 29 - 2022: Uh-Oh
« on: October 30, 2022, 12:31:55 PM »
Lots of uh-oh's here. Dittography in the Erica envelope, haplography in the Lupfer piece, misspelling misnumering, blobs, upsidedown envelopes, wrong addressee, wrong address, running out of space on an envelope or piece, smudges, and on and on. I have a whole box of this stuff. The Odom envelope took 4 tries (the record is seven). I save this stuff to practice using different inks on similar envelopes. Sometimes "uh-oh turns into oh s#*@. I should have stopped the Lupfer pice after themistake i line one, but didn't beccaus that mistake was correctable. Not so in the last line--couldn't fit the "and" in before running out of space. Atleast I wasn't working on vellum, like the old scribes.

And then there is the intentional mistake (uh-oh) meant to send a message, as in one of my earlier Inktober posts, meant to say that it's ok to post something with a mistake, or something that is not "perfect." or even good. You all were too kind not to mention it. (That will be corrected after the end of Inkvent 2022.)



@Erica McPhee & @AnasaziWrites I only wish to have uh-ohs like yours.  They are beautiful.
@K-2 I don't see any uh-oh's in your wonderful water colors!

Exactly 6 yrs ago, my daughter lost her very first baby tooth.  She didn't cry holding her first tooth between her fingers.
Here's to that occasion:





The calligraphers definitely have the clever responses to this prompt!
@Erica McPhee - love the splatters!  And Oh what an O!
Mike - what a great idea for a collage of "uh-oh"

This bit of pedantry goes out to @Zivio - missing you, pal!

One of my favorite things to look for in manuscripts is how scribes dealt with errors.  Many scribes simply didn't care all that much if there were things we might call "errors".  Spelling didn't get codified until the end of the 18th century; punctuation as we know it also didn't exist...  For instance, the Book of Kells, lauded as one of the all-time artistic masterpieces of Europe, actually contains a fairly crappy text of the gospels, full of errors and omissions and redundancies.  Some of them they fixed, but some dropped or repeated words or letters or mis-conjugated verbs just stayed in as is.

Still, I really like how the Book of Kells scribes added this passage they left out at the bottom of the page - they put a dotted red cross where it should go: https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/folios/j3860713x

Sometimes scribes would scrape the dried ink off the parchment.  And in this way, parchment is superior to paper @AnasaziWrites - you can get ALL the visible ink off, and reuse it for something else.  In this miniature depicting the 12th Century writer, Marie de France, she has a quill in her right hand (writing) and a knife in her left hand (scraping): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_de_France#/media/File:Marie_de_France_1.tif

But the heavy metals in the ink would penetrate into the skins, and when you shine a UV light on it, they'll fluoresce!  It's how we found the earliest extant manuscript copy of Cicero's "De re publica" - as a palimpsest, scraped off and written over with a copy of St. Augustine's exposition on the Psalms: https://spotlight.vatlib.it/palimpsests/about/vat-lat-5757-inf

Maybe some of my favorite corrections are from the Saint John's Bible - check out the bee error treatment on this page from the book of Wisdom: https://sites.up.edu/saintjohnsbible/correction-bumblebee-2015/

/pedantry

I'll admit that I conceptualized this picture in response to the prompt (like black cats being a bad omen), but with the secondary intention of using it for my Halloween card to my god-children!

@Erica McPhee & @AnasaziWrites I only wish to have uh-ohs like yours.  They are beautiful.
@K-2 I don't see any uh-oh's in your wonderful water colors!

Exactly 6 yrs ago, my daughter lost her very first baby tooth.  She didn't cry holding her first tooth between her fingers.
Here's to that occasion:






All I could say is ....OH LA LA....to all of you... It is always fabulous work and very inspiring. I wish I too joined this but I'll do it next time ...
Thank you for all of you !!! ;D Oh La La La la ....

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