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Introductions / Re: Hello from UAE!
« on: October 19, 2022, 12:27:39 AM »
Thank you for joining us, Sarah!  You may already have discovered the wealth of information in the forum's archives, and please feel welcome to post questions or comment on other posts or share what you have been doing. Everyone here has been so kind, helpful and considerate.

Wishing you the best of success in all that you put your hand to.  ;D


Inktober / Re: Day 18 - 2022: SCRAPE
« on: October 18, 2022, 07:34:16 PM »
@Erica McPhee Wow, that capital “S” has got it all going on!  I’m actually a big fan of that shape on its top … have no idea what it’s called but it is always a “bird beak” to me because my first encounter was from a Michael Sull exercise that looked like one.  Your elements of design and flow always give a lot to study when I’m not distracted by their allure!  The Sandserian had been kind of a joke, yet it continues to instruct.  The other day I did a full page freehand writing of a word and, without thinking or planning, was surprised to see it was centered on the page with a perfectly horizontal baseline. 

@AnasaziWrites   Your offerings and all those different inks must be marvelous in real life!  And as others have commented, it is always a treat to see what you’ll come up with next.  Seeing the brushstrokes on your recent zhēn was so appealing! I only recently learned about the elements of art and design and “mark making – the interaction between the artist and the materials they are using” is an element I see on some online lists. This is something I appreciate in your art and the ensō.

@K-2  Your art is such a joy!  Happy to see the birds, and non-bird jellyfish and sea monkeys.  Great swaths of the beach here had been closed off for Snowy Plover nesting season, April 1 thru September 15. 

@Lucie Y Grateful for the regular doses of your work! Those letter shapes are so elegant, and I’m happy to have been introduced to them.  By the way, my “R” comes courtesy of Michael and Debra Sull’s Learning to Write Spencerian Script which has been informing all of the capitals I’m working on for Inktober.  Thank you for your encouragement!

Inktober / Day 18 - 2022: SCRAPE
« on: October 18, 2022, 12:10:00 AM »
Going with French today.  Never paid much attention to "R" because the "standard" Spencerian is so similar to "P" and "B".  Decided to give it a shot.

Inktober / Re: Day 17 - 2022: SALTY
« on: October 17, 2022, 09:17:37 PM »
@Lucie Y Thanks for the introduction to Josh Pyke’s music via the lyrics shared today with your gorgeous Roundhand.  That script, and your execution of it is magical!

Loved the video – genius!  I’ve often remarked that I wish there were a way to bottle the redolence of certain things I smell on the breezes, so the lyrics touched me. And I’ve recently written a few letters and enclosed tiny, tiny plastic bags of sand as a way to share our beach experiences, so there’s that too.

Enjoying your offerings, and regular encouragement – it means a  lot.  Grateful, with you, for the "reassuring testing" and reduced pressures. Wishing you and family every comfort and joy.   

Everyday Handwriting | Penmanship / Re: Don't write off Cursive
« on: October 17, 2022, 06:11:31 PM »
Excellent article -- I love that Abraham Lincoln anecdote!  Thank you for sharing these, I'm really enjoying hearing different voice and thoughts on this topic. 

Inktober / Re: Day 17 - 2022: SALTY
« on: October 17, 2022, 06:03:15 PM »
Oh shoot!  Just realized I missed a perfect opportunity to share the salty goodness of this local delicacy on today’s Inktober.  But wait, there are no (few?) rules, so likely no prohibition on multiple entries. Plus, I’d hoped to try some brush pens.  I have no idea how to use this Pentel Fude, soft floppy pen, but gave it a shot.

Attribution (and apologies) to @AnasaziWrites's delightful ideas, here is Salicornia virginica* foraged at the Willapa Bay mud flats. With butter, sesame oil, pinches of sugar, pepper, chili powder. Was delicious on plain rice!

* AKA Pickleweed,
AKA Sea Beans,
AKA Sea Pickle,
AKA Chicken Claws,
AKA Sea Asparagus,
AKA Glasswort,
AKA Picklegrass,
AKA Marsh Samphire,
AKA Saltwort,
AKA Chicken Toe …

Whew! So many aliases, but
my favorite is:

AKA Tétines de Souris (mouse tits!

Inktober / Day 17 - 2022: SALTY
« on: October 17, 2022, 12:40:14 AM »

Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Coca-Cola logo
« on: October 16, 2022, 08:39:29 PM »
... I believe the confusion stems from the use of “Spencerian” as a misnomer for hand lettering designed for graphic use and subsequent typefaces of the same name. It seems it was used to describe a genre of styles, not Spencerian penmanship....

aHA!  Yes, Spencerian as penmanship vs type style really helps to explain things.  Thank you for finding and citing these great links. I'm fond of quoting the late Ben Bradlee, "When the history of the world is written, this won't be in it," but these kinds of things interest me. 

Much appreciated,

Inktober / Re: Day 16 - 2022: FOWL
« on: October 16, 2022, 04:56:50 PM »

Any guesses?

(click image to enlarge--you may have to)


Open Flourish | General Discussion / Coca-Cola logo
« on: October 16, 2022, 04:47:15 PM »
I'm currently reading The Missing Ink: The Lost Art of Handwriting, by English novelist Philip Hensher.  Not too far along, but find that Mr. Hensher is no lover of Spencerian script and critical of many other things related to handwriting..

In chapter seven he makes the comment that the Coca-Cola logo is rendered in copperplate.  This surprised me since I've seen so many references to this logo having been done in Spencerian, by no less than the Coca Cola Company and even  Yet in this same link on Zillers it is said, "In general terms, Spencerian hands utilize delicately shaded lower-case letters."  Yeah, not seeing that in the logo.

When I first discovered Spencerian a few years ago, I'd encountered many online references to this logo, and just decided that, because I was so new to scripts and calligraphy in general, I wasn't able to discern it for myself.  But today, I have a hard time reconciling those heavy thicks with very little thin contrast with Spencerian.  Even Louis Madarascz and his heavy shading has a lot of thins to balance.

It just seems terribly urban mythological to me, and it's doubtful Myth Busters will ever take this one up, so I submit this poll.

The Library / Re: Foundations of Calligraphy by Sheila Waters
« on: October 16, 2022, 01:11:09 AM »

... Sheila Waters has a section on How to practice followed by How NOT to practice -and- How to avoid calligraphic depression. That section -along with how to analyze- really explains the nuts and bolts of how to make progress with self study ...

@Jean Wilson would certainly know!  She is referred to in our household as my "handwriting therapist."   ;D

Inktober / Day 16 - 2022: FOWL
« on: October 16, 2022, 01:01:22 AM »
Halfway through Inktober - congratulations, all!

Moisture content in sand, like in ink is important … as is keeping writing tools away from dogs.  Beach dog found a new toy in my writing stick and would not return it!

Having some fun and challenges playing with new capitals.  I have no illusions here, but @Lucie Y turned me on to Paul Antonio’s “angular confinement” which I believe will help a lot, once I get around to making some special guideline sheets. For now, I'm just happy to get some familiarity with the capitals and playing with the new ideas and shapes.  Seems like a good beginning -- everyone starts somewhere.

Introductions / Re: Hello from Greece!
« on: October 15, 2022, 11:16:02 PM »
Hello everyone! My name is Despoina and I am from Greece. I picked up a pen for the first time on February.

Greetings, @Despoina!  Thanks for sharing your Instagram -- your progress in so few months is truly enviable!   

It is always a joy for me to see new people join this community -- it has been so instrumental in  helping my own progress, and I know you also will reap those rewards. And it is also fun and a pleasure to have connections from across the globe in all of our lives.

As Erica says, do feel free to ask questions. Everyone here has been so gracious in lending their insight and experience.

Inktober / Re: Day 15 - 2022: ARMADILLO
« on: October 15, 2022, 06:53:02 PM »

...  It's a duotone ink called "Petrichor" ...

Petrichor!  I have always loved this word (among so many others) from the day I  first learned its provenance – which is so evocative of its meaning. I’ve loved the thing itself as long as memory serves.

  • First its derivation*:  From Greek ‘petra’, stone, plus ‘ichor’, the ethereal fluid that flows from the veins of the gods, according to Greek mythology. 
  • Its meaning:  The earthy scent produced when rain falls on dry soil. [Wikipedia]
  • The thing itself:  Shared human experiences of delight must certainly be divine.

(* No doubt you already are acquainted with this; I share for anyone who may not know.)

And apropos of shared experiences of delight, "our" Inktober continues to be one for me!  Especially the gracious comraderie and kind words from all, to all. Congratulations to everyone for the wonderful contributions of your work.  The end products themselves, of course, but the combined efforts and outlay of time, energy and dedication that has made them possible. 

Inktober / Day 15 - 2022: ARMADILLO
« on: October 15, 2022, 12:21:38 AM »
Armadillo. The struggle is real.  ;D

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