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Title: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Erica McPhee on September 20, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
Hi Flourish Friends!

Attached is a new Copperplate (Engrosser's Script) exemplar with ductus and guidelines I have developed using sizes and spacing from exemplars of the old masters, most notably Earl A. Lupfer.

As I worked to improve my Engrosser's Script, I found it important to have specific guidelines to help me make more consistent letterforms. I have tweaked this quite a bit and am happy with how it has developed.

As always, please let me know you have any questions. I hope you enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: cejohnson on September 20, 2019, 07:42:50 PM
Very cool Erica. I did something similar to what you did, but I also added an additional line slightly above the headline and slightly below the baseline for the ascending and descending loops. This example uses a Charlton Howe example.

I agree with you about developing these based on the work of past masters. Right now I am studying WA Baird and creating a lower case exemplar based on his lessons. It is a lot of work, but I learn so much  ;)

Cat
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Erica McPhee on September 21, 2019, 11:41:14 AM
Gorgeous Cat! Thanks for sharing. Yes, it has been interesting to see the variances in the masters. Unless you really break it down, it all seems similar.  :D
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: KristinT on September 21, 2019, 01:49:02 PM
What a delightful exemplar, @Erica McPhee !  I really like how you've labelled the guidelines, too.  I will definitely be printing this out to keep at my desk for reference.  Separately, may I ask what blue ink you are using (maybe McCaffery's?)?  It's quite a lovely shade!
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Erica McPhee on September 21, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
Thanks @KristinT ! Yes - that is McCafferyís Indigo. I like it full strength but I also like it as it wears down and I dip in my water then the ink - it becomes this really pretty aquamarine color (my favorite).  ;D
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: lale_75 on September 26, 2019, 08:52:51 AM
Wowwwww!!! Thank you Erika! I'll try it hiding the legend to see if my copperplate is correct!

Thank you!
Alessandra
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Erica McPhee on October 03, 2019, 09:34:47 AM
You're welcome Alessandra! I hope you enjoy it!  :-*
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Karl H on October 17, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Hey Folks,

If you could recommend only one or two books that have good exemplars of the Old Masters, which ones would they be?  I'm just comfortable enough with basic techniques now and am interested in exploring the letter forms in more detail, and studying the masters and comparing their differing styles sounds like a good way to go about it.  There seems to be quite a few to choose from, and I've no idea which would be "best" for what I'm after.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations!
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: cejohnson on October 17, 2019, 11:12:22 PM
Hi Karl

This forum is so rich with many exceptional penman that will provide more than I can, but I wanted to share with you a few of the sites I have used that provide 'free' material from various penman of the past:

The Zanerian Manual of Alphabets (this is a great pdf guide most everyone would recommend)
https://masgrimes.com/archive/zanerian-manual (https://masgrimes.com/archive/zanerian-manual)

Zanerian.com provides website links to many of the great old masters
http://www.zanerian.com/Lessons.html (http://www.zanerian.com/Lessons.html)

Mr. M G Ward has put together some of the lessons from the old Business Educator into pdf files:
https://mrmgward.com/archive/business-educator-lessons/ (https://mrmgward.com/archive/business-educator-lessons/)

And if you want to buy one book with many great examples, you cannot go wrong with 'The Universal Penman' by George Bickham:
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Penman-George-Bickham/dp/1607964082/ref=asc_df_1607964082/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312138007830&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6153203327111332201&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033471&hvtargid=pla-568061557820&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60258871097&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312138007830&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6153203327111332201&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033471&hvtargid=pla-568061557820 (https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Penman-George-Bickham/dp/1607964082/ref=asc_df_1607964082/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312138007830&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6153203327111332201&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033471&hvtargid=pla-568061557820&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60258871097&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312138007830&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6153203327111332201&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033471&hvtargid=pla-568061557820)

I hope some of these will be helpful.

Peace,
Cat

Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Rivers on October 28, 2020, 06:25:05 PM
Erica,
This is awesome! Thank you.
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Wanderful Writs on March 05, 2021, 11:25:59 AM
Thank you Erica, enjoy your flourishing techniques and calligraphy style.  :)
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Tasmith on March 15, 2021, 10:32:09 PM
Thank you!

These will be most helpful as I just started learning Copperplate using Eleanore Winters' book "Mastering Copperplate Calligraphy", and Gordon Turner's book "The Technique of Copperplate Calligraphy.
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: clonehappy on October 10, 2021, 08:57:45 PM
Hi there! This is amazing info thank you! My question here is ... is Engrosser's the same as Copperplate?  I'm getting so confused, cause I thought English Roundhand was pretty much the older name for Copperplate. But it seems like Engrosser's is being used interchangeably with Copperplate, but it looks like there's a different slant and slightly different shape to the letters with Engrosser's. Then I saw Engraver's >.< Can anyone shed some light on this so I can get it and maybe KEEP it straight lol. I just dont want to learn what I think is proper, then realize oh wait ... I've been going with something NOT Copperplate :)  Thanks!
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Erica McPhee on October 10, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
This is such a good question!

Copperplate is a general term used to describe several styles of shaded scripts (called hands) done with a pointed pen. While the differences are subtle, Roundhand, Engrosserís Script, Engraverís Script, Anglaise, and English Script are all frequently referred to as Copperplate.

Beginning in the late 1500ís, English Roundhand Script was written with a quill and frequently engraved onto copper plates. Thus the term Copperplate came to be. In the 1800ís, penmen emulated the engraved style with steel nibs and the terms Engraverís Script and Engrosserís Script were used interchangeably.

While English Roundhand was written like handwriting, Engrosserís and Engraverís Script were drawn using individual strokes - the very same ones you will be learning in this book.

I believe Ken has posted a sample of each somewhere, let me see if I can find it and will post a link.  ;)

Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: Erica McPhee on October 10, 2021, 10:03:52 PM
This is a great article by Dr. Joe Vitolo:  Demystifying the Copperplate/Spencerian Script Enigma (https://www.iampeth.com/lesson/engraverís-script/demystifying-copperplatespencerian-script-enigma)
Title: Re: Copperplate Exemplar & Guidelines
Post by: clonehappy on October 11, 2021, 09:18:40 PM
I have opened that link so many times to read it and then it gets so late I forget and close it cause I hadn't gotten to it LOL. So, it feels or seems like what I'm learning is technically called modern Copperplate since I have been trying to teach myself from Winters' book. Thank you so much for your reply it helped tremendously :D