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General Categories => Spencerian Script => Topic started by: AnasaziWrites on August 07, 2016, 02:55:22 PM
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If there is a Spencerian signature you like, feel free to try your hand at it and post it here.
This is a (poor) copy of a Courtney signature from Michael Sull's Spencerian Script and Ornamental Penmanship, Vol. 2, p. 428. Nice balance between bold shades and delicate letters.
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good job! I have one in mind. I'll practice it when I get home today. I hope more people participate in this thread.
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(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8D8kC2e.jpg&hash=429bd9c548301e278b0deac62e872d50)
Found the original on ebay. I suspect it's from the Business Educator but I'm not sure who penned it. Whole arm movement is no joke!
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Very nice, himasf, well done.
You mention you have the original. Is it on a card or is it printed, as if a clip from Business Educator or some publication?
Also, you mention you got it from someone on eBay. Was it Madocs by chance?
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oh no, i don't have the original. but yes, it's a listing by Madocs that i screencapped on my phone. i don't own any golden age specimen/clippings. i wish!
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oh no, i don't have the original. but yes, it's a listing by Madocs that i screencapped on my phone. i don't own any golden age specimen/clippings. i wish!
Aha. A little background.
That specimen was almost certainly part of the Lupfer collection. When Lupfer died in 1974, he left behind a collection of about 50 years of specimens, most of which appeared in The Business Educator, of which Lupfer was editor and contributor for many years. His widow sold the collection to Del Tysdal (who, sadly, died in 2013) for, I believe $5000. It filled three vans. Del was selling parts of this collection in the early 2000's on eBay, where Madocs (Aidan Meehan, a talented Celtic design calligrapher and author) bought that specimen and many others (I bought a few myself), which he is now selling. Now they are rarely offered, except for Madocs. If you are interested in originals, I would encourage you to buy at least a few. Originals are simply finer than any reproductions.
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It filled three vans.
:o :o :o
Thanks for the info. I've wondered all this time who this madocs fella was.
Yeah, I'm not that interested in clippings/reproductions but I don't know how to get originals
without breaking into @schin 's house. ;D
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Stay away from my house... I have a very ferocious dog who will not hesitate to bite you!! >:(
Even a small scrap from madocs is enough.. you can see in person how fine the lettering is.
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Stay away from my house... I have a very ferocious dog who will not hesitate to bite you!! >:(
Yes, very ferocious.
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If I find a second in my day, I will add. Otherwise, I will just drool.
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If I find a second in my day, I will add. Otherwise, I will just drool.
Stop looking, I've found a second for you.
If drooling is involved, may I suggest waterproof ink?
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After one of E. W. Bloser's signatures
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awesome. i like those wedge shaped stems like in the 'B'. very dagger-y.
Schin and Amy go join us. Wanna your fave signatures too!
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Love spencerian signatures and the posts so far. Looking forward to seeing more.
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I have one done, but the iPad names the file wrong for upload. I will post again soon. I did Bloser too.
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This is the only one I've done so far. The ovals are a bit out of control lol. I'm looking forward to learning more about signature writing at advanced spencerian saga this year!
(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4D5EIEG.png&hash=8a65e4d6ac88632cb0bb722a6209be07)
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Looks great @Raayynuh. I wish I could attend the Saga too, but teachers only get the summer off for calligraphy camp fun. I will have to live vicariously through you.
Here is my Bloser. I haven't really wrote much OP, or Spence this summer. I have be focusing on Italian hand since June.
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Wow this is so amazing to see. I cant imagine how it would be to do it. Hope one day I will post my favourite on here :D
Can anyone here help me start learn spencerian script plse. :D
Thanks,
Ashok
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hi @ash0kgiri . Pick an example specimen of the style you want and we'll go from there.
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hi @ash0kgiri . Pick an example specimen of the style you want and we'll go from there.
Hi Himasf,
Infact today I was going through P.Z. Bloser's 'Lesson in Ornamental Penmanship' trying to understand.
-Ashok
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This is an attempt at an early version of Lupfer's signature (c. 1912). I really like the construction of it and the balance. Some his later signatures are even more complex and difficult to write well, but very attractive. His off hand work was superb.
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Who's turn is it?
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Who's turn is it?
Ha. I think it is @schin 's turn.
Do some more, Amy.
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I'll try one tonight!! But I can't choose a fav signature!
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(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMhR8heZ.jpg&hash=4baa52116b1b527e191482ae3f36596b)
"W.H.Wireless" from pg 516 of Sull vol.2 in blacklight ink.
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Thats really nice @himasf.
And you are going to help me create one. Remember ;)
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Could you be more specific on what you want to learn? Also you metioned looking at the Bloser Lessons in Penmanship. That's the same book I learned from. What part can I help you with?
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@himasf , @ash0kgiri
Thats really nice @himasf.
And you are going to help me create one. Remember ;)
hi @ash0kgiri . Pick an example specimen of the style you want and we'll go from there.
Hi Himasf,
Infact today I was going through P.Z. Bloser's 'Lesson in Ornamental Penmanship' trying to understand.
-Ashok
hi @ash0kgiri . Pick an example specimen of the style you want and we'll go from there.
Hi Himasf,
Infact today I was going through P.Z. Bloser's 'Lesson in Ornamental Penmanship' trying to understand.
-Ashok
Thats really nice @himasf.
And you are going to help me create one. Remember ;)
Could you be more specific on what you want to learn? Also you mentioned looking at the Bloser Lessons in Penmanship. That's the same book I learned from. What part can I help you with?
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This conversation might be better continued in the "Kind Critique" section.
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Could you be more specific on what you want to learn?
Hi @himasf
To answer your question it's everything from beginning. I am totally new to spencerian and wish to start learning. Right now I'm practising copperplate but parallely want to start this.
Thanks for asking and hope to get some guidance from you all.
-Ashok
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I do realize I need to spend more time with my pen. It was fun to practice this one. L.M. Kelchner
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Hi @AmyNeub,
That has turned out to be Terrific... :D
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It was fun to practice this one. L.M. Kelchner
Nicely done. You've captured well the "spirit" of the signature.
Is that graph paper 8 squares to the inch (thus, x-height of 1/8 inch)?
Are the large loops done off hand, ie. whole arm?
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Yes, 8x1" grid. Whole arm. I haven't spent time learning off-hand yet. @AnasaziWrites
I always write too big. What size are you using?
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Thats really nice @AmyNeub. One question do you have a rough scribble with pen or pencil before you do you final render.
- Ashok
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Hello @ash0kgiri. I usually trace the signatures a few times with pencil, then pen and ink to understand the structure and steps. Then I just free write and practice a million times.
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Thanks @AmyNeub for the clarification. Appreciate.
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Hi Everyone,
Here's my first one on this thread. Hope to hear from the experts :D
Thanks,
Ashok
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Very nice, Ashok. I'm a big Kelchner fan. In Michael Sull's opinion, "one of the finest all-around penmen who ever took pen to ink."
Where did you see the original?
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Very nice, Ashok. I'm a big Kelchner fan. In Michael Sull's opinion, "one of the finest all-around penmen who ever took pen to ink."
Where did you see the original?
Thanks for the kind words and information @AnasaziWrites. I found this on the 2nd page of this thread. It was posted by @AmyNeub.
- Ashok
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Yes, 8x1" grid. Whole arm. I haven't spent time learning off-hand yet. @AnasaziWrites
I always write too big. What size are you using?
@AmyNeub
Size? Using the E. A. Lupfer signature for example, I practised on lined paper, no guidelines, and the x-height turned out to be 2 mm or a little smaller. The E, however, turned out about ten times that big.
1/8th inch is not too big. That was the size Lupfer often used when he submitted signatures to be published in the Business Educator.
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(re: letter to Lupfer)
@himasf
Very nicely done.
I recognize this from Sull's book, p. 515. One of my favorites as well.
(For those not familiar with it, this is an envelope penned by Mervin A. Albin and sent to Lupfer in 1932)
(Photo courtesy of Zaner-Boser Co.)
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yup, the original on that page by Albin is awesome. That whole page has good muscle movement.
For some reason I tend to think the name written in specimen is the name of the person who wrote it but clearly this was an addressed envelope and could not have been Lupfer himself.
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This is awesome @himasf
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Posted in error
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Who's turn is it? I will start practicing one.
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a calligrapher I know is busy with pokemon, haha.
me, i'm losing interest in calligraphy :/
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No interest in this--okay--something else a bit later.
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I'm here. I saw that offhand signature. Uploading my attempt right now. (it's ugly, so don't hold your breath)
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https://youtu.be/Cq7Bgh2F6bw
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Wow. That was pleasure to watch @himasf :D
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+1
I really enjoyed watching this @himasf!
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Thanks, guys. I like watching people write too.
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Hi @himasf
One question on the grip of the pen and its a straight holder. Is this how you are supposed to hold it when writing Ornamental script or lot of flourishing and why not an oblique holder? Sorry if they sound silly :(
-Ashok
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This grip is for offhand flourishing. It can be done with an oblique & regular grip too but you'd have to draw the letters in reverse for the shades to land in the right places.
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Hi @himasf
One question on the grip of the pen and its a straight holder. Is this how you are supposed to hold it when writing Ornamental script or lot of flourishing and why not an oblique holder? Sorry if they sound silly :(
-Ashok
Flourishing hand simply means holding the pen in such a way that the shades are made when the pen is moving away from you, as opposed to making the shades while pulling the pen towards you (which is the way most people write). Traditionally, flourishes were made with a straight pen, but you could use an oblique pen if it suits you.
The result of this hand is that the shades appear on the "opposite" parts of the letters. As you see from this page from Spencerian Script and Ornamental Penmanship by Michael Sull, both majuscules and miniscules can be made with this hand, "reversing" the shades.
Flourishing hand can be imitated also by drawing the letters in monoline first and then adding the shades or, as himasf mentions, drawing the letters backwards (ie. from the traditional end to the traditional begining).
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Hi @AnasaziWrites
Appreciate your time for the detailed explanation and made really easy to understand with the attached exemplar.
Thanks
Ashok
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Hey guys sry for late joining in this post.
At present I don't have any signature of master that I copied but I'll try one tonight.
BTW this is one I made myself for my friend here.
J.V.D.Prasad. Written in wholearm movement.
It's nice seeing you learn here @ash0kgiri, @himasf is great penman himself 😉.
@AnasaziWrites are you on IG.?
This one I practiced today and posting you the results. E. D. Cherrington and S.M.Hammond From Zaner Blosers Ornamental Penmanship book.
With respect
-Syed-
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Beautiful and mind-boggling Syed!
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AnasaziWrites are you on IG.?
@syed sha abulhassan Quadr
No, I'm not on IG (or Facebook)--I just don't have the time to maintain a presence on these sites, although from time to time I do look at IG sites of forum members if they provide a link.
This one I practiced today and posting you the results. E. D. Cherrington and S.M.Hammond From Zaner Blosers Ornamental Penmanship book.
With respect
-Syed-
Your signatures--Very nicely done.
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@AnasaziWrites thanks so much.
I'll do more for this forum too. And support you guys more from now.
-syed-
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J.V.D.Prasad. Written in wholearm movement.
It's nice seeing you learn here @ash0kgiri,
This one I practiced today and posting you the results. E. D. Cherrington and S.M.Hammond From Zaner Blosers Ornamental Penmanship book.
Thanks for the kind words @syed sha abulhassan Quadr. The signatures are just amazing. Sorry but Im quite tempted to ask you to do mine :D
Waiting to see more. Keep posting.
-Ashok
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The signatures are just amazing. Sorry but Im quite tempted to ask you to do mine :D
Waiting to see more. Keep posting.
-Ashok
Dear Ashok,
Ill be glad to do just tell me your initials and name how you wanted it to spell.
I'll do when I get time with pen, at present writing exams 😊
Your friend
-Syed-
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I found this gem on pg. 434 of Michael Sull's Spencerian Script and OP Vol Two. R.S. Collins.
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I found this gem on pg. 434 of Michael Sull's Spencerian Script and OP Vol Two. R.S. Collins.
Nice.
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I found this gem on pg. 434 of Michael Sull's Spencerian Script and OP Vol Two. R.S. Collins.
Very beautifully done..
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Wow !
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Hey @ash0kgiri,
Sry for late on doing your signature, currently giving exams,.
I hope you like it and can replicate it😊.
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that's awesome, syed. love the connections & overall balance
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that's awesome, syed. love the connections & overall balance
Thanks bro,
Really learning allot in Signature Writing.
Had to research allot and combine 2 connecting ideas that I saw in fb Courtney's scrapbook.
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I hope you like it and can replicate it😊.
Hi Syed,
I have no words to describe you master hand. The joins are perfect and indeed spectacular. And off course I cant replicate it but I can trace it :D
Thanks again for the effort and taking time. Really appreciate.
- Ashok
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@ash0kgiri
Thanks for the compliments sir,
I can write again and send it to you if you like.
-syed-
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Hi @syed sha abulhassan Quadr
That's so kind of you. You should concentrate on your exams. And wish you all the very best. :D
Btw can I ask you what exams are you appearing for?
- Ashok
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@ash0kgiri
I am currently giving B.Com computers,
Have some 2nd year backlogs due to absents.
So giving them.
With regards
-syed-
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The original signature is on page 561 of Michael Sull's Spencerian Script and Ornamental Penmanship, Vol. 2.
Sorry for the poor scans. Just can't seem to get my scanner to pick up hairlines well.
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Nice. What nib did you use? I feel like the 303 can only get shades that thick.
I am moving and almost on summer break, so I can post one soon.
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Nice. What nib did you use? I feel like the 303 can only get shades that thick.
I used a Gillott 604ef (my nib of preference these days). I could have gotten larger shades, which would have better matched the original, if I had pressed harder, but controlled my inner Lupfer in this case.
I like the G303 as well (the earliest version). Super for copperplate/engrossing.
I am moving and almost on summer break, so I can post one soon.
That would be great.