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Offline AmyNeub

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2014, 05:29:29 PM »
Linda, basics first, but he is so creative.
So pointed Italic is more "modern" and soft/rounded Italic is classic? Or is there just variations?

The pointed style is definitely a modern variation. :) I think the soft/rounded one is too? The beautiful thing about calligraphy is there are so many variations of all scripts - but I would say Eleanor Winters' Italic is most likely her own interpretation, just like Sheila Waters' is also her own.

I posted this a while back but when I took an Italics class, we were encouraged to explore different styles and to make a little folio of sorts, here's my folio from the class. Of course my Italic hand is all rusty now, so I need to take a refresher course...



Thanks! Yes, I have pulled out every book and looked at the links in the posts before and they all are different. This is your work? You are so good. I love the 2nd and 3rd.

Thanks for all your help everyone.

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2014, 05:36:21 PM »
Linda that is AMAZING! I keep wanting to learn it.. any tips on where to start? What is the difference between using the broad nib and a pilot parallel?

*embarrassed* :-[ :-[ :-[ I'm a super-beginner and now I'm super-rusty too. I would look to people like Jean, Salman, Scarlet et all for advice - my teacher gave us her own exemplars as well, but she encouraged us to look at historic examples as well as study exemplars from masters like Sheila Waters, Julien Waters, Gillian Hazeldine, Annie Cicale, Julien Chazal, Gemma Black, John Stevens...

I learned with a traditional dip pen and never used Parallels until very recently. I feel like even though it's not as fuss-free to use, dip pens feel better, and the letters come out more "organic" and lively.

*sigh* so many scripts, so little time.


Thanks! Yes, I have pulled out every book and looked at the links in the posts before and they all are different. This is your work? You are so good. I love the 2nd and 3rd.

Thanks Amy. Yes that's my folio from the Italic class. The 2nd is Pointed Italic, and the 3rd is Flourished Italic.

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2014, 09:01:26 PM »
One difference between Pilot parallel pens and regular nibs is the optimal size of nib for the size you are writing.
I don't think that Pilot makes a nib that is comparable to a Mitchell 5.5 or 6
So for tiny writing, you'd want a regular nib.
The largest Pilot nibs are probably larger than the largest regular nibs.
Although there are some large steel nibs that might work just as well as a Pilot.
My rule of thumb is that you really need to try both.
Do not rely on others to tell you what is *best.*
You really won't know until you try it yourself.

I agree that the regular nibs are more "organic" because they have a little give to them
so, you can actually get some subtle variation with pressure that you won't get with a Pilot.
However, you can manipulate a Pilot, by twisting it to give the impression of variation in pressure.

Are pointed styles of italic and rounded styles more contemporary?
Not really. What makes contemporary work look contemporary is the tool.
The really old examples were written with quills - on vellum or parchment
which looks different from metal nibs on paper.
If you go to a library with a special collection and look at manuscript books
(handwritten books on vellum from 100s of years ago)
you will be amazed at how *contemporary* some of the writing is.
You will see rounded, pointed ---and sometimes, within one book
you will see two facing pages where it is obvious that there were two different scribes
and one of them was significantly *better* than the other one.

Here is a page with some amazing examples...
when you click on a page, you get another window with more pages
and then you can click on one of them and see large views.

http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/digitalscriptorium/highlights/

Happy Surfing
Jean


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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2014, 10:08:42 PM »
Although there are some large steel nibs that might work just as well as a Pilot.

Oh yes, there are also automatic pens, Copic WIDE markers, and chiseled brushes! Those can be as wide as the brushes come!

Thanks for the link Jean, what a wonderful site to pore over!

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2014, 07:30:54 AM »
Amy & Linda,

Your lettering is beautiful!!

Janis

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2014, 12:15:41 AM »
It's been so long since I did broad pen! I really do love Italic. My favorite exemplars are from Julian Waters and John Stevens.

You're off to a great start!  :)
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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2014, 09:39:04 PM »

If you have learned the Italic hand, I would love your input and guidance. I haven't really focused on the letter spacing as much with the words, because I am so focused on the correct form. So don't really worry about that as much at basic strokes and form.

Thanks in advance!

Very nice Italic. The only thing ..which isn't wrong but is more a preference visually for me is the curving of the descenders. If you are going to curve..do them all. Not just the g or y.

That said, I will have to look into buying the book you mentioned. Somehow my Italic over the months has become more angular than curved like most formal Italic and so I've been looking for an exemplar I can use that is closer to where I'm at with my style.

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2014, 10:08:59 PM »
KayleenO yes I thought the same thing. I just practiced what I saw. I ordered the Speedball book for the Sheila Waters exemplar. I will try that next.

Thanks for your encouragement. I will try to post some capitals when I get there.

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2014, 12:29:06 PM »
Thanks! It's so amazing. Free and light. We can only hope to put years of practice in.

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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2014, 02:11:03 AM »
How did I miss this thread!
Amy and Linda your Italic is Beautiful.  So inspiring!
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Re: Italic lowercase letters critique
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2014, 11:15:13 PM »
The "off topic" portions of this thread have been moved here: Italic Exemplars and Favorites.

My apologies to Amy for letting this thread go astray! Sorry I can't contribute to the critique as it has been so long since I have done Italic any feedback from me would be useless!  ;)

Thank you to everyone who has given good feedback so far.  :) 
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