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I heard dinky dips were made for laboratory use, and you can order them by the hundreds (for waaaay less than PIA sells them) through Evergreen Scientific Supply.  Just a heads up.  I don't use them any more, I find they don't hold enough ink for how fast I'm getting through it these days. 

But at one point I considered buying a big bag of them, and then getting a cuter version of the holder from a seller I found on Etsy, Millerline Design.  I just checked to see if she still had these lovely pieces of distressed, painted driftwood that she had drilled dinky-dip holes into, but there aren't any on her site at the moment.  If anybody's interested, you could send her a message about it! 

I keep meaning to buy some cute chopsticks holders for a pen rest.  A lot of pen rest deskware is too dungeons-and-dragons looking for my taste!  Lots of iron dragons, anyway.  :)  I wish more artisans were making airy girly stuff.   ;D

What a great idea and so nice of you to organize, Joi! 

I'm one of those who would have to ship from Europe to the US in order to participate in this supply drive, which doesn't make much sense.  However, if you get wind of any particular supplies which are needed, I wouldn't mind placing an order with PIA and having it shipped to you!  Something light, like some Nikko G nibs, maybe?

Suggestions & Ideas / Re: Anyone ever said this to you?
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:37:55 PM »

"The art of calligraphy has been twice killed by a mechanical invention and has twice found a new set of justifications. As an industry for the manual copying of texts, it was destroyed by the printing press. As an essential tool of commerce and finance and an evidence of gentility, it flourished for three centuries and was strangled by the typewriter. In its third and present lifetime it stands with the fine arts, safe from any further technological threat."

This is the perfect quote!  I love it so much.  Thanks for sharing it.


Lastly, as for Pinterest... *sigh* I feel about Pinterest like I felt about Martha some 15 years ago.  Why do they show these shots of a block of ice with 25 pieces of shrimp on it, stacked on a vintage dresser in the middle of a wheat field then have brides come and ask; Daisy, could you do that for me?  My answer is always the same; sure! but think about people at a football game gathering around that dresser for their serving of shrimp!  I don't think brides put that stuff in perspective.  It makes me nuts!  and Pinterest perpetuates that!!!

THIS, ABSOLUTELY !   I've been part of a few styled shoots just like this.   ;D ;D ;D

You are so funny.

Show & Tell / Re: Some Jeff Buckley Lyrics
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:21:33 PM »
what pretty flourishing on Grace !  Such fine hairlines. 

Spencerian Script / Re: Bird flourishes (plus a confession)
« on: June 16, 2014, 04:56:14 PM »
This thread has had me laughing so hard! 

I like birds better than horses or anything else in ornamental writing, quill pens coming from feathers and all that, I see a link.  They are suitably delicate little creatures.  I agree that flourished cherubs are completely disturbing! 

Maybe there ought to be more cats, through...  I was making some art-nouveau stuff lately and trying to work in a cat flourish.  (Still working on it!)

That's interesting!

And thanks Scarlett Blue for the link to that French blog, I'd never seen it before!  I just found yours too, and it's great.  Added it to my list.  :) 

This is an interesting subject.  I have a lot of thoughts on this. 

I found one of my own photos on somebody else's website, recently.  I prepared an email in my head and was going to send it, but the next day it was gone... maybe she was paying attention to Google Analytics? 

These days I'm trying my best to straight-up copy from my Sull's Ornamental Penmanship anthology, as I'm trying to improve and refine what I'm doing and make my writing, as much as possible, like some of my favorite Penmen's.  I'm trying to get all the traces of my 'handwriting' out of my calligraphy, if you see what I mean.  One's personality always comes through, I think, but I'm trying to understand and embody the basics in a better way.  The personality will always show eventually, I suppose, but I'm interested in technique right now.  When I have any time to practice, that is what I'm up to. 

When it comes to *current* artists or calligraphers, whenever what I've done something that was inspired in any way, or reminds me in any way, of the work of a living person, I always give credit. I've been inspired by some of Barbara Calzolari's beautiful banners (this is a common illustration in calligraphy), but I never actually tried to draw one until her banners made me care about them.  (In the one and only broadpen class that I ever took, my teacher used them in a heraldry-like way on envelopes, but those didn't turn my head). 

I learned some shapes in flourishing from Heather Held's videos, which I used on a holiday card, and I posted my attempts on IG and linked to her (and wrote her an email saying thanks).   A while back, when a bride I was working for asked me to decorate her wedding food bar signage with some gold accents (I first tried to splatter them here and there like goldy stars or something, then I made little tendrils of gold around the ascenders and descenders), and finally I ended up trying to squiggle and dot them on the just on the black letters instead of on the white paper, to pick up and reflect a bit of light in a subtle way.  Of course, the second I did that, I had a very clear image of one of Schin's beautiful photos, where she had done something very intricate and beautiful with pearls of white ink to mimic the pattern on a piece of china dinnerware (totally gorgeous), and I thought, "I have to show her this, lol"...  Not the same thing as my little reflective "dots", but of course I tagged her right away on IG and laughed about how mine looked like a leopard.  :)  I absolutely had one of Estefa's first show-and-tell posts in the forefront of my mind the other day when I was making some signage on black paper, and was trying to work out how to include a cat.  Her Halloweeny-feeling poster for a theatre piece obviously made its mark on me and I would like to try to capture a feeling that I got from looking at that work, rather than an exact detail.  Whenever I'm inspired by someone directly, I always would give credit.  These are all the living people/IG/forum/FB friends that pop into my mind right now, whose stuff has inspired or influenced me.   

I guess what I mean is I can feel a difference in between "inspired by" and "in imitation of".  It bears mentioning even when you weren't directly inspired by someone, but nevertheless it made you think of their work after you look at it.  I saw another calligrapher in France use what is more or less an exact copy of a descender flourish that I regularly make on the little "r" in "Paris" the other day, but it's also kind of an obvious mark to make in a central, evenly spaced kind of place at the bottom of an envelope... just kind of looks like it belongs there.  Like Erica said, different people using the same kinds of inspirations can end up making the same kind of mark.  My own is based on something from the Universal Penman, anyway.  I've had someone ask me to make an exemplar of an alphabet, so they can learn from it!  That's funny to me... why would anyone... they just don't realize yet that there's a wealth of work by real masters to draw from. 

So many masters to copy, so little time.  ;)  As for living people-- if you wouldn't show it to them happily, maybe you shouldn't do it? 

Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Supply hoarding
« on: June 16, 2014, 02:15:49 PM »
Most of the stuff I covet is found on Paper and Ink Arts website or John Neal.  Shipping and import taxes help curb my impulse to "collect" supplies! 

Ahhh!  I've been away from the forum for ages (crazy busy, and have moved twice in the last 6 months because of house renovations, etc-- but think of you all so often!)...  and I find this completely delightful discussion!  What a totally satisfying read before bed.  Schin, thanks for getting Michael Sull in on it.  Fabulous. 

This is the greatest place on the Internet. 

Spencerian Script / Re: Why Spencerian?
« on: June 04, 2014, 02:32:23 PM »
Schin and Erica-- just beautiful!!!!!

As for why Spencerian gets less love these days?  I think just because it's so much HARDER to do!   ;D

Tools & Supplies / Re: Tachikawa G nib
« on: March 25, 2014, 05:57:48 PM »
I have a couple of Unique Obliques pen staffs that fit the Leonardt Principal, as well as the Paper and Ink Arts adjustable oblique, which fits everything under the sun! :)

Kind Critique / Re: Need opinion
« on: March 25, 2014, 02:35:33 AM »
I think the straight holder gives you a slightly raggedy right edge on the downstroke, because the tines are opening a little bit unevenly (but that's not a criticism-- it's just the effect of the tool).  You can look at the famous Paul Antonio's copperplate and observe the same effect on some of the things he posts. 

I don't think it's very exaggerated, especially because your copperplate is less slanted here than 54.  If you tried to slant more with a straight holder, you'd notice it more. 

I think your lines are just perceptibly smoother with the oblique.

Tools & Supplies / Re: Tachikawa G nib
« on: March 25, 2014, 02:30:49 AM »
I tired the Tachikawa G when I first got it, and didn't have any problems like Brad was talking about with ink flow...  BUT... 

I don't like the nib.  I find it really hard and inflexible!   It's certainly smooth-writing and the point is very fine, so the hairlines are good, but I feel like I'd get a cramp in my hand trying to make the downstrokes.  I've been using the Leonardt Principal lately, so I'm getting used to a very light touch for the thicks. 

Digital Design / Re: Wacom Tablet?
« on: March 24, 2014, 03:30:39 PM »
How do you use it with your lettering, Erica?  I'm curious. 

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