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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: The Tripod Penhold
« on: November 01, 2024, 06:50:06 PM »
And here, for your viewing pleasure, is the nobody-approved Caveman Grip™.  Apparently, I hadn't paid close attention to writing lessons in grade school, and this horrible thing haunted me for the next sixty some years, muscle-memory ossified into bone. Caveman Grip™ was aptly named because my writing looked as if it were done with a lump of coal in my white-knuckled fist.

When I began learning Spencerian from the old texts a few years ago, I did adopt the approved tripod pen hold, and decided also to no longer use finger and wrist movement in order to avoid the long baked-in habits. 


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Tools & Supplies / Re: Latest nib experiences
« on: November 01, 2024, 06:42:30 PM »

I am briefly reviving this thread to confirm that the Blanzy Tremplin no 160 is a wonderful little nib.  For me personally, in terms of feel it comes close to the Gillott 303, but it is a bit easier to use.  YMMV of course.  I found them at https://www.vintage-nibs.com/ .

I see vintage-nibs.com has a "Plume Tremplin" also designated no. 160, so I'm going to give those a try!

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Spencerian Script / Re: Loopy letters
« on: October 31, 2024, 11:32:09 AM »
Calligralicious!

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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Coca-Cola logo
« on: October 07, 2024, 10:09:51 PM »
I absolutely love how this topic has taken on a life of its own!  Thanks, truly, to all who have contributed!

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Inktober 2024 / Re: October 4 … Exotic
« on: October 06, 2024, 07:40:36 PM »
I toyed, briefly, with the thought of joining in on Inktober. My personal challenge would have been to just dash something off, without planning, completely spontaneously and using media I never practice with to try to get past my perfectionist tendencies. Alas, those tendencies quashed my resolve, but I was feeling kind of bad for @TeresaS hanging out here all by themselves, so I gave it a stab. I kept telling myself, "c'mon, how long can it take?"  Apparently, about 20 seconds.  ::)

8-1/2" x 11" copy paper. Baoke brush pen, whole arm.

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Spencerian Script / Re: Trying My Own Spencerian Signature
« on: September 30, 2024, 09:38:14 PM »
@Zivio

But at the time I can get to read that book so I can go into this book slowly.


Yes, perfect [go slowly]. For me, Sull’s newest is/will be very much a reference type book. Already, although much of it is very advanced for my level, I have learned some good things that had been a mystery until now. There is likely more in this book than I will have time in my remaining lifetime to learn, but it is a grand inspiration!

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Spencerian Script / Re: ABS spoopy style
« on: September 30, 2024, 03:52:12 PM »
@J.S.R.B. I have to tell you that I've admired the samples of writing you've shared on the Forum! It's got flair, and how wonderful to be putting out that Spencerian into the wild!

"Paul Van Loon" sent me to Google. Well, and "spoopy."   ;D

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Spencerian Script / Re: Trying My Own Spencerian Signature
« on: September 30, 2024, 03:33:32 PM »
Oh, I also made a few attempts at composing one for pen pal @Vintage_BE.

SPOILER ALERT: it was meant to be a surprise, but I never was satisfied so I’ll just throw it out here.


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Spencerian Script / Re: Trying My Own Spencerian Signature
« on: September 30, 2024, 03:32:06 PM »
Michael Sull’s recently published “Sull’s Manual of Advanced Penmanship” motivated me to try my own hand at signature writing earlier this year. Thank you @Jayantcy for sharing yours! Your post has emboldened me to share some of my attempts.  And yes, @Erica McPhee, pages and pages of pencil work before ink ever hit paper.

I want to circle back to it again with fresh eyes because I’m still not enthralled with the composition and flow, but it has been an interesting (and maddeningly frustrating) exercise!


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I'm fond of #2, but for as an alternate form in Spencerian, especially after eyelet letters.  As for @JanisTX's comment, I also feel this form as opposed to #1 does help to differentiate a bit from minuscule "v", but even so, they all are a challenge to scribe as beautifully as you!

"Crowding the space" be darned for Spencerian everyday handwriting though, as I'm a kind of no pen lift guy when it comes to cursive.

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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: The Ford "r"
« on: September 03, 2024, 01:19:14 PM »
Oh, I like Farr’s little Q&A “rules” (Ku & Ay), but not so much the shameless rebranding of Spencerian. ;D   I don’t think he was the only one, though.  Oh well, everyone’s gotta eat.

His rule for the “practical r” after “eyelette letters” makes a lot of sense to me. 

As for rules, I love Father Spencer’s own comment on this:

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"In presenting definite rules for the proper formation of letters, it is not designed to confine the skill and ingenuity of the writer within narrow limits, nor to prevent the exercise of peculiar tastes. We desire, rather, to encourage individuality of style, so far as may be consistent with
propriety ..."

Farr’s comments about learning ambidexterously caught my attention! Early in my learning I’d encountered Diego Irigoyen’s encouragement for boosting penmanship skills by writing with both hands. His e-book goes on to describe the benefits for using both hands for many different physical skills. I did practice my penmanship with both hands for awhile, but decided that at my age there’s only a limited amount of time to learn, and maybe I should just focus on my dominant hand! Still, I love studying the science of learning and human potential, and think it may have value.

https://www.dieyen.com/practical-penmanship

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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Coca-Cola logo
« on: September 02, 2024, 04:48:04 PM »
Fantastic @Erica McPhee!  Thanks to @Vintage_BE for reviving this post — it truly has taken on new life, and I’ve learned so much.

Wow, that original logo …. just wow.  :-\  I’m wondering if its proportions and layout was the artist’s “shock of the new” of the time. Maybe very edgy/avant garde? To my eye, it is ridiculously clumsy, but understandable as I have recently played with coming up with appealing “signature writing” designs after reading up in Sull’s new book on the topic.

The Struggle = Real

Now, about that Ford r.   Yeah, maybe I’ll start a new thread.   ;D

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Spencerian Script / Re: Cunningham’s Law
« on: August 31, 2024, 03:53:53 PM »
Oooh, Cunningham’s Law!  Among many other odd things I do is to maintain a list of “Eponymous Laws.”  Cunningham was not on it — until now!  Thanks.

I also appreciate the “@Erica McPhee Constant” now also added to my list.

I love seeing both of your Spencerian samples, underground and above board both!

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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Coca-Cola logo
« on: August 29, 2024, 04:23:13 PM »
... Is this a mystery that artificial intelligence would have been able to solve? I fear not, indeed I fear the opposite is true…
OK, Hans, I had to check! ChatGPT-4 nailed it, but certainly not without the historical details @Erica McPhee did!  As we all know, she is irreplaceable!  :-*

https://g.co/gemini/share/de004d3e4e8b


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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Coca-Cola logo
« on: August 29, 2024, 03:30:12 PM »
Wowie, @Erica McPhee, what an astounding and astonishing scholarly update!  I love it, and will never refer to those logos as Spencerian.

Now, if you don't have anything better to do, I suggest you edit that Wikipedia article! 

Here are some tips:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing#:~:text=Wikitext%20editing%20using%20the%20Source,add%20or%20change%20the%20formatting.

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