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Nay worries - I can take it.
« on: February 14, 2024, 04:45:35 PM »
I have been able to sit up in bed a little bit further the last week or so, although not for too long, but I owe 6 people this.
I am totally new to calligraphy, as I have said in the past, and I can't tell you how bloody frustrating it is to have all the gear, very little idea, but a bucket load of 'wanting'. I am the most impatient person I know, but I have given it my best shot, so here goes,.....
Self critique
1) I need to concentrate on keeping the 55 degrees angle. Bloody annoying!
2) Spacing is not good at all. Bloody annoying.
3) I don't like writing the letter 'r' the way I do at the moment. I'll keep going for a little longer and if I keep messing it up I'll change to writing it another way, likewise the capital 'Z'.
4) I need to concentrate on doing drills more. Much, much more, likewise with the alphabet.
(in short, I need much more practise, but I thunked it wise to look for advice)
Thanks in advance,

Mark.
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Re: Nay worries - I can take it.
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2024, 06:11:26 PM »
You hit a nerve with me. I too have a bucket full of wanting to write beautiful script. It is all I think about and have geared my life around. This desire borders on obsession and there is nothing wrong with it. There is a reason we feel this way.

I love that you chose dinosaur names to write. Very creative! At one time I could not write because I could not think of any text to copy. Then I chose my favourite book and committed to copying down just one page a day, everyday.

The sizes of your letters are good and the shapes will become more uniform with practice. Make sure you have your exemplars posted where you can always see them (not just on your phone or iPad). Pin them up on a wall so they are visible even when you are not writing.

I hope you are not ill. If so I wish you a very speedy recovery.

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2024, 01:08:28 PM »
Iím working on a detailed response to this. Good on you for sharing your work for critique!  :-*
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Re: Nay worries - I can take it.
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2024, 05:19:19 PM »
Oh no - are you feeling unwell? I hope you are OK!

Practice makes progress! One of the things that really resonated with me was the frustration of having all the Ďwantí to accomplish a beautiful script and then the disappointment in what I created. Itís clear from your work, you have a good eye and the start of a lovely hand. This is my advice (for what it is worth)Ö

It looks like you are *writing* the words as you would with cursive. Calligraphy, especially Engrosserís Script, is drawing of strokes. So I would suggest - for now - stop writing words and look at the basics. There are 8 basic shapes that make up every letter. I did a small tutorial to get you started: Basic Strokes of Engrosserís Script

Iím looking forward to seeing your progress because I think you are going to develop a really nice style!

P.S. Good on you for putting your work out there and asking for feedback. That will take you far as you learn and progress, not being afraid to ask for help and being willing to change up what you are doing.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2024, 07:26:12 PM »
Hi,
I've been bedbound for 2 years, but touch wood, the new injections and steroids will put me back on the right road.
I can assure you, your advice is worth its weight in gold.
I 100% agree with what you wrote in respect of the 'writing the words instead of following the 8 basic rules'. I do admit though, it didn't resonate with me until last night when I started to use a different nib. (I'm now using a Geo W Hughes 'Paternal') I know the nib shouldn't make the difference in following the 'rules' but I found it stuck out like a sore thumb and slapped my face stoooopidly ;D
Todays practice honestly looks like it is written by somebody else, but still needs a lot of work, but it will get their.
Thank you for the tutorial. I'll be doing that tomorrow.
As for asking for help. I can appreciate that people are reluctant to ask for help, but I am of the belief that, especially on the internet, nobody can see a blush, and the guilt of asking should never worry anybody. Afterall - one doesn't learn by not asking for help/questioning what/if's and buts. Besides, I'm too thick skinned to care if anybody doesn't appreciate others asking for help. Plus, this place doesn't cater for arsehats.  ;);D ;D Only decent people here.

Mark
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2024, 01:55:02 PM »
I am so sorry to hear that but hopeful you are going to turn the corner soon!

I am also very grateful you asked because it put my butt in gear to finish the tutorial I was contemplating for a long time. Also, so many others can benefit from one person being brave enough to ask the questions.

I completely believe it in terms of a new nib making a world of difference. I have experienced that myself many times over. And honestly, there is no calligraphy police that says you have to learn the 8 strokes and do it a specific way. You do what works best for you and for what your goals are. But I can tell you are an earnest learner and that frustration resonates with me.

Also, don't forget, you will go through periods where you feel like your work is looking great and then all of a sudden nothing looks good. That is a big part of the learning process and usually means you are about to have a break through in terms of improvement. I usually take a a day or three off and then go back to it and am pleasantly surprised at what has melded into my muscle memory.

Don't forget - have fun!  :-*
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2024, 12:09:52 AM »
... Also, don't forget, you will go through periods where you feel like your work is looking great and then all of a sudden nothing looks good. That is a big part of the learning process ...

OK, so I needed this. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2024, 11:37:46 AM »
... Also, don't forget, you will go through periods where you feel like your work is looking great and then all of a sudden nothing looks good. That is a big part of the learning process ...

OK, so I needed this.

Me too. I'm developing the arm writing technique and my work now looks worse than ever. I've increased the x-height on my guidelines so I'm forced to use my arm for ascenders and descenders. I'll keep on believing this is going to improve my handwriting whatever the style.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2024, 03:32:52 PM »
I'm happier than a dog with two of them, and I'm not talking tails.
I go into a wheelchair tomorrow for the first time in over two years and I get to see the inside of my house. Can't get into the kitchen as the door opening is fine but the kitchen cupboards will restrict the entry, but the best thing is, and I had smoke in my eyes when I thunked of it - I can get into my swim (spare bedroom named after a fishing area and used as my man cave full of guitars, amps and matchsticks. Thousands and thousands of matchsticks) where I can put all of my calligraphy items, pads, nib holders, nibs, inks - basically all my 'writing paraphenalia'. I can't tell you how happy I am to be able to finally use my lightbox on a flat surface, but most of all - to start all over again teaching my hand/wrist/forearm/shoulder to become one. My wife has been told to only interrupt me tomorrow if the cat has its tail stuck in the mangle. I don't have a cat. I don't have a mangle either come to think of it. Anyway - tomorrow I intend to start my practice with a vengeance/passion, such was my passing comment several months back in regards to hours spent practicing.
Knowing what to write, I thunked was going to be an issue, but then it sprung up between the eyes.
I need to do the alphabet and the drills properly - with the surface horizontal instead of struggling at an angle.
Now I can say my journey officially starts.
My wife is really happy, too.
Not because I'm now able to get out/off the bed to be able to do my calligraphy and flourishing, but using her words,...... "Does this mean I don't have to try and get ink spots off the bed sheets and quilt cover anymore" ;D ;D ;D
I don't recall what my reply to that was, but it must have been bad 'cos I've only just came round. ;) ;D
Tonight I prep and choose the ink I wish to use.

Mark
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2024, 11:16:59 AM »
Oh Mark - this is such wonderful news! I am so happy for you! And I can feel your happiness radiating through. Please take it slow and don't overdo it. Wishing you many happy hours enjoying your Fish Room and all you hold dear.  :-*
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