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Title: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: penstaff on June 30, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
What are your favorite pointed nibs?
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Nickkih on June 30, 2014, 07:48:22 PM
Hunt 101 and the nikko g
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Nickkih on June 30, 2014, 07:49:26 PM
Oh and the esterbook 358
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Moya on June 30, 2014, 07:54:00 PM
I'm developing a sudden love for the Brause pumpkin.  I don't understand how or why, but it's like it squares the ends for me ... I don't even have to think about it.  It's magic.

My forever friend is the Leonardt Principal EF, and very close behind is the Gillott 303.

I also have some vintage Esterbrook 357 and 358s which I'm in the middle of a sneaky affair with.  I just hope my Principals don't find out ...

And I keep a few Tachikawa Gs around for rough paper or less-perfect work. They're very reliable and unsnaggy, so I feel like I can use them even when the conditions aren't quite right - whereas the Principal and the 303 will complain and not work, like fussy princesses.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: AndyT on June 30, 2014, 08:38:07 PM
Principal and 303, like Moya.  I probably prefer the 303, but it can be such a troublesome wee beastie, so it's the Leonardt which is the default choice.  Gillott 170s are nice too, except for installing them in a holder.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: SueL on June 30, 2014, 08:49:39 PM
My current favorites are the Hiro 41 and Leonardt Principle. The 41 just squares off the tops and bottoms for me. Wonderful!
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Brad franklin on June 30, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Leonardt Principal EF
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Faeleia on June 30, 2014, 09:40:25 PM
I haven't used many, but currently I am liking Hiro 40 and LP EF
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: patweecia on June 30, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
nikko g!  and surprisingly now, blue pumpkin (brause)...i've had this nib for the longest time and it used to snag A LOT.  it even developed a bit of a rust at the bottom part.  so it amazes me how it works very well now.  no more snagging and spattering.  it's actually smoother on paper regardless of the ink that i use.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: inkcatcher on July 02, 2014, 12:56:43 AM
Brause 66EF
G nibs
Brause 66EF
Leonardt Principal
Brause 66EF
Esterbrook 761
Brause 66EF!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Scarlet Blue on July 02, 2014, 04:42:31 AM
Brause 66EF and the Brause Steno (pumpkin) are the workhorses.... whilst the Gillott 303 is a diva, she is temperamental, and demands perfect conditions if she is to perform at her best. We understand each other.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Roseann on July 03, 2014, 03:03:36 AM
My absolute favorites are the Brause 66EF, and the Blue Pumpkin.  They really make me so happy. 
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: tintenfuchs on July 03, 2014, 06:23:10 AM
Brause 66EF
Brause 361 (Blue Pumpkin)
Hunt 101
Leonardt Principal
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Scarlet Blue on July 03, 2014, 07:01:46 AM
I used the Leonardt Principal yesterday for the first time in ages, I find it much better for sensible copperplate than the 303.... I like the 303 best for more variated styles.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: penstaff on July 03, 2014, 09:11:31 AM
To all who have responded to this thread: It's interesting to read the like and differences among you - like they say:" different strokes for different folks". If you want the thrill and smoothness of nibs you must try the vintage nibs if you haven't already. Of course the Nikko G, Zebra, et al are not vintage - you might as well be using the blue (not vintage) Gillott #303. Comparing these two-the Gillott #303 blue to the Gillott #303 vintage is like driving a Ford to a Rolls Royce. True! The comparison will certainly open your eyes and see a new and beautiful calligraphic world. And you won't be disappointed! Don't take my advice - the entire writing world can't be wrong.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Scarlet Blue on July 03, 2014, 09:49:54 AM
Thanks, Penstaff, next time I'm ordering I'll put a vintage 303 in my basket.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: AndyT on July 03, 2014, 12:26:52 PM
I'm on the lookout for some vintage 303s, too, without much success so far.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Scarlet Blue on July 03, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
I swear that when I looked at Scribblers vintage nibs the other day that they had vintage 303s.... have looked again and they only have the vintage 404s. This is the thing about being ancient - you start hallucinating.
:-(
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: AndyT on July 03, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Similarly, I was convinced that Kallipos had 303s, but I turned my back and they turned into 170s.  Glad to know it's not just me.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Estefa on July 03, 2014, 03:14:36 PM
About one year ago, he still had them :). I bought some back then, I'll check how many I have left and let you know. I didn't like them very much …

A lot of nibs he had back then are all sold now!! Well, that's the danger when becoming too attached to vintage items that don't last :( …
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Nice Plume on July 03, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
By now my favorite is leonardt Principal EF ! Totally In love !
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: AndyT on July 03, 2014, 08:06:04 PM
About one year ago, he still had them :). I bought some back then, I'll check how many I have left and let you know. I didn't like them very much …

A lot of nibs he had back then are all sold now!! Well, that's the danger when becoming too attached to vintage items that don't last :( …

That's very true.  There are some gentlemen of my acquaintance who are obsessive about out of production razor blades, to the extent that they're prepared to pay ludicrous prices for them.  I don't understand that at all, but I do have a fair stockpile squirreled away which might come on the market one day.  ;)

Depending on how may you have and how many people are interested, I'm sure a mutually beneficially arrangement could be reached.  It would be nice to find out what the fuss is about, even if it's just a case of trying one nib.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: rebeccasinnen on July 20, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
Nibs.  Oh how I love nibs...
My favorite modern-
Nikko G for envelopes, flourishing, just general writing
Leonardt Principal- for small copperplate when I want seriously fine hairlines (John Decollibus's recommendation)

not modern Gillott 303's as they are too scratchy.  I agree with the FORD vs. Rolls Royce analogy
Blue pumpkins, I hate having to dip my pen so frequently.  I need a nib that can hold a serious amount of ink and those blue ones didn't do it for me.

Now vintage...
Ahhhhhh....
Spencerian no. 1's --my favs.  Not too finely pointed so they don't snag, and enough flex to give me the big shades I love.

Gillott 604ef---this is a nib that can make some crazy mad shades.  For me, because I am not afraid of breaking my nibs, I can get shades that are well over a quarter inch wide.  Probably wasteful but I can't help myself.

Principality.  Made serious shades and CRAZY fine hairlines.  The contrast was fabulous.  Only had the one nib and wouldn't waste money on them.  It's just an extravagant pleasure to write with one. The Dom Pérignon of nibs.

Vintage Gillott 303's-- nice shades and great flex.  LOVE but you need a light hand to use them.

Musselman Perfection (Dr. Joe's fav)-- excellent for Copperplate

Palmer no. 9-- love these- they are long like Nikko G's and have pretty good flex...

Hiro Leonardt-  great for think inks, but a pain to clean the nib

I have so many other nibs...nut these are the ones I use most.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: elsa.d on July 20, 2014, 07:08:44 PM
It doesn't have the finest hairlines or the best swells and it isn't the smoothest nib either, but for reasons I just cannot explain the hiro 700 feels so right in my hand.

Tachikawa g and hiro 41 are good and reliable for me
LP EF I just tried and am quite impressed with
I like the hiro 111 EF for letter writing bc it's not too fussy and the shades are quite small and consistent.

Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Heebs on July 20, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
Nibs.  Oh how I love nibs...
My favorite modern-
Nikko G for envelopes, flourishing, just general writing
Leonardt Principal- for small copperplate when I want seriously fine hairlines (John Decollibus's recommendation)

not modern Gillott 303's as they are too scratchy.  I agree with the FORD vs. Rolls Royce analogy
Blue pumpkins, I hate having to dip my pen so frequently.  I need a nib that can hold a serious amount of ink and those blue ones didn't do it for me.

Now vintage...
Ahhhhhh....
Spencerian no. 1's --my favs.  Not too finely pointed so they don't snag, and enough flex to give me the big shades I love.

Gillott 604ef---this is a nib that can make some crazy mad shades.  For me, because I am not afraid of breaking my nibs, I can get shades that are well over a quarter inch wide.  Probably wasteful but I can't help myself.

Principality.  Made serious shades and CRAZY fine hairlines.  The contrast was fabulous.  Only had the one nib and wouldn't waste money on them.  It's just an extravagant pleasure to write with one. The Dom Pérignon of nibs.

Vintage Gillott 303's-- nice shades and great flex.  LOVE but you need a light hand to use them.

Musselman Perfection (Dr. Joe's fav)-- excellent for Copperplate

Palmer no. 1-- love these- they are long like Nikko G's and have pretty good flex...

Hiro Leonardt-  great for think inks, but a pain to clean the nib

I have so many other nibs...nut these are the ones I use most.

The Spencerian 1 is my new favorite nib  ;D It's such a beautiful balance of smooth gliding/swells and they aren't as expensive as the other dream points. Sadly I just broke my first one (first nib I've ever broken) after using it non stop for about 5 hours straight  :o
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: penstaff on July 30, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Reply to AndyT: Look no further - among other vintage nibs I have an ample supply of vintage Gillott #303 nibs available for sale. Contace me on the Forum or via email: [email protected] (Harvey)
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Alexiz on July 30, 2014, 11:49:36 PM
My favorite wassssss Leonardt Principal, but then I got my Brause 66 EF to finally work. So right I'm having an affair with Brause.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: tintenfuchs on July 31, 2014, 03:19:42 AM
My favorite wassssss Leonardt Principal, but then I got my Brause 66 EF to finally work. So right I'm having an affair with Brause.
Ohyes. My affair with that one has developed into a fully fledged relationship.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: penstaff on July 31, 2014, 10:44:12 PM
Reply to Natascha: The Brause 66EF was my all time favorite - I say was becauseI don't write any more (to my regret). That was the nib my instructor got us to use in our copperplate class about 35 years ago. But I suppose there is a love-hate relationship with all nibs.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: anam_t on August 06, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
As a beginner, my favourite currently is the Hunt 56!
I still have the Hunt 101, Brause Ef66 and Zebra G unused, will use them when I can start forming words. And I think the Ef66 doesn't fit with the peerless oblique holder.
I don't know but in between I started disliking the Nikko G nib - but I think I should start using it again.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Starlee on August 06, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
I have a question about vintage nibs...it sounds like you can still buy them? Are you buying nibs actually made 100 or so years ago, or are these companies making new nibs modeled of nibs of old? Where do you find them?
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Heebs on August 06, 2014, 09:07:07 PM
I have a question about vintage nibs...it sounds like you can still buy them? Are you buying nibs actually made 100 or so years ago, or are these companies making new nibs modeled of nibs of old? Where do you find them?

Vintage does indeed mean they can be up to (and older) than 100 years of age. And of course there are a few that are reproduced (Gillott 303/404/290/etc., Esterbrook 354/355, Hunt 22/101 and of course the Principal which was modeled after the Gillott Principality) but are not as good as their vintage counterparts. Most of it has to do with the fact that nibs used have much better quality control and many were hand finished to ensure the best standards because it was such a large industry, nib manufacturers dont go to those lengths anymore because of the relatively small market for them.

I have some Spencerian 1's from the early 1900s that have become my favorite nib. They write similar to the Leonard Principal but are almost as smooth as a G nib, it's quite amazing how well they are made and how they hold up.

EDIT: Vendors like PIA and John Neal carry a few vintage nibs but most are found on eBay these days. There are sites like Calligraphic Arts that carry a wide range but their prices are quite a premium. For example they sell the Spencerian 1 (and it looks like it's the newer model which was of poorer quality than the first generation) for $3.75 each while I paid less than $2 each for mine (1st generation). Of course to get them that cheap you have to buy large lots otherwise they run about $2-4 each in smaller batches (if you can find them).
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: SueL on August 06, 2014, 09:19:17 PM
The spencerian 1 sounds like a great nib. Haven't had the chance to try one out yet.
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: Starlee on August 06, 2014, 09:27:30 PM
Thank you!! I will have to keep my eye out for them. Would so love to try one out!
Title: Re: Your favorite pointed nibs
Post by: penstaff on August 06, 2014, 11:00:07 PM
reply to starlee: The vintage nibs that I have in inventory are mostly the nibs that I have acquired over my 35+ years in the calligrahic world. Some were purchased from a stationery store which went out of business, some were purchased from sellers in Fort Worth and other cities, some from estate sales, and some from sellers on Ebay and mostly purchasing and using and not selling them. I retired from my calligraphy business a short few years ago (arthritis) and realized that my huge nib inventory was far too large and should be shared with calligraphers from all over the world. Currently I have several listed on Ebay along with the 7 models of penstaffs that I make which I am proud to say have received rave reviews from purchasers from all over the world. I keep my "hand" in by writing a monthly article on helpful hints in both the Fort Worth and Dallas Guilds' newsletters. ALL these nibs are from the original manufacturers with the exception of the new Leonardt EF Principal nib which is a remake of the old original. And most all the rest of the inventory are the older models from the original manufacturers made from "Old Steel".