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Title: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on January 06, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
While all the wonderful calligraphy kits out there in cyberland have yummy exemplars and handouts, it is definitely more cost effective to purchase supplies from a supplier such as John Neal Bookseller or Paper & Ink Arts.

List of supplies I recommend on (affiliate link):   Paper & Ink Arts (http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?yhst-141105795965626+ZkjKLH+index.html+).

List of supplies I recommend on (affiliate link):  John Neal Bookseller (http://www.johnnealbooks.com/prod_detail_list/891).

The total cost is roughly $50 (unless they do a discount which I don't know about). If you don't purchase the bleedproof white, it is around $40. This includes 10 nibs and two different kinds of ink plus 4 dinky dips and the pen!

Practice paper: HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets)

Here are the lists with the item numbers:

From Paper & Ink Arts:

item # spdper - Oblique Red or Blue Peerless Holder
OR
item # peerls - Peerless Oblique Holder
 
item # walbot –Walnut Ink, 2.6 oz.
item # moonpa – Moon Palace Sumi Ink
item #drmbld – Dr. PH Martin’s bleedproof white (optional)
 
item # nikkoG - Nikko G nibs (5)
item # hnt101 – Hunt 101 nibs (5)

item #dinkyd – Dinky Dips 4 square


From John Neal:

H95. Speedball Deluxe (Comfort Grip) Oblique Pen Holders – sized for Nikko G.
OR
H96. Peerless Oblique Holders (Black Plastic) – sized for Nikko G
 
N113. Nikko G Nib (5)
N77. Hunt 101 Nib (5)
 
I53-2.5. Walnut Drawing Ink
I70. Moon Palace Sumi Ink, 2 oz.
I38. Dr. Martin's Bleed Proof White Ink (optional)
 
S852. Small Dinky Dips (S304)

Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Linda Y. on January 06, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Super wonderful starter kit!  :)

What type of paper/practice pad do you recommend? I think I've read HP Premium Laser Jet paper is good - I also like the Canson Pro-Layout Marker Pads (http://www.dickblick.com/products/canson-pro-layout-marker-paper/) (available at Michael's). It's super-smooth yet semi-translucent so you can slip a guidesheet underneath. The one I usually get is 9x12. I also see that a lot of calligraphers on IG prefer Rhodia and/or Clairfontaine. The HP paper is probably more economical, though.


Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on January 06, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
I use the HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets) almost exclusively unless I need to lay out a larger piece. I just bought HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) and it isn't as smooth as the Laser but it seems to work fine! And it's $5 less per ream.

Since the majority of my work is for reproduction it's almost all I use!
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Linda Y. on January 07, 2014, 12:09:10 AM
That's a better deal than all the art papers & pads! Is it translucent enough for a guidesheet, or would you recommend using a light table underneath?
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on January 07, 2014, 07:26:41 AM
Definitely use with a light table underneath. I would spend all my money on art pads if I had to use those! I can go through 25-50 sheets like nothing!  :D
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Emily on January 07, 2014, 06:57:38 PM
Oh, thanks, I've been looking for some cheaper paper now that some of my good stuff is starting to run down, but wasn't sure what to get!  :)
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Selle.A on January 19, 2014, 04:11:58 AM
I use the HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets) almost exclusively unless I need to lay out a larger piece. I just bought HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) and it isn't as smooth as the Laser but it seems to work fine! And it's $5 less per ream.

Since the majority of my work is for reproduction it's almost all I use!

Hi Erica,

I don't know what ink you use when you use a plain HP premium paper but mine feathers with an India Ink especially with Higgins Eternal. Does it do that with yours as well?
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on January 19, 2014, 05:45:48 PM
Hi, I'm so sorry to hear that. Is it the laser paper or the inkjet? I use the laser and use walnut ink, McCaffrey's, and Sumi. None of them feather. Higgins does tend to feather more than other inks though.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Selle.A on January 22, 2014, 12:22:13 AM
I'm not sure if its laser or inkjet but I think you're right-I noticed when I use Higgins it feathers like crazy compare to my India ink.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Kate Knowles on March 28, 2014, 11:59:26 PM
Hi!

I am new here and I was just wondering what is the difference between the two sets of holders? I did some calligraphy in high school, but it was with straightholders and so long ago!
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on March 29, 2014, 01:32:21 PM
Hi Kate,
Are you talking about the difference between straight holders and oblique? If so, check out this topic,

 Oblique Holder (http://theflourishforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=430.0)

and this one:

 Oblique v Straight (http://theflourishforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=422.0)

If you mean something else, let me know.  :)
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Kate Knowles on March 30, 2014, 02:18:09 PM
Hi Erica,

I mean the difference between the two oblique holders you listed at the beginning of the supply list. I realized my wording was confusing. Sorry!

Kate
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Heebs on March 30, 2014, 06:05:11 PM
Hi Erica,

I mean the difference between the two oblique holders you listed at the beginning of the supply list. I realized my wording was confusing. Sorry!

Kate

They're essentially the same thing. Mostly a preference of color/finish. Either one is a great started oblique.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on March 30, 2014, 10:37:52 PM
Oh! Sorry about that! Heebs is right - they are basically the same. Except the red and blue ones have a slightly different texture than the black one. They are a little softer with a slight coating rather than the smooth, hard feel of the black one.  :)
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Kate Knowles on March 31, 2014, 12:28:03 PM
OK, thanks! I'll place my order today, so I can get started!
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Kate Knowles on March 31, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
Which size do I need for the pen? I know it says Nikko G, but I don't see that as an option on the website. Maybe I just don't know the abbreviation. Sorry for so many posts, I'm still figuring out all of this.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Heebs on March 31, 2014, 06:25:25 PM
Which size do I need for the pen? I know it says Nikko G, but I don't see that as an option on the website. Maybe I just don't know the abbreviation. Sorry for so many posts, I'm still figuring out all of this.

I believe only John Neal has them pre sized for different nibs

http://www.johnnealbooks.com/product/2960/133
http://www.johnnealbooks.com/product/3795/133

Simply select NIKK for the Nikko G

The flange is relatively easy to adjust if you wanted to order from Paper & Ink Arts as well.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Kate Knowles on March 31, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
Thank you! I really am clueless about all of this.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Heebs on March 31, 2014, 07:33:52 PM
Thank you! I really am clueless about all of this.

Thats how we all started! :) Don't be afraid to ask anything.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Cheri on May 25, 2014, 06:54:53 AM
Oh, too late. I already made my purchase yesterday :-[ The inks I have are Higgins Eternal, Pelikan 4001 black and Winsor and Newton but the one I keep practicing with is Pelikan (it feathers sometimes). For practice paper I used the one recommended in Eleanor's book, Bienfang. I did not know where to look for recommendations on good ink and paper. I'll try to look for the HP laser choice paper your using. I might be able to save with that :D

Thank you very much for this list! I always did read that Sumi ink are highly recommendable.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: LinenAndTwine on July 29, 2014, 06:43:18 PM
I use the HP Premium Choice Laser ($17/500 sheets) almost exclusively unless I need to lay out a larger piece. I just bought HP Bright White Inkjet ($12/500 sheets) and it isn't as smooth as the Laser but it seems to work fine! And it's $5 less per ream.

Since the majority of my work is for reproduction it's almost all I use!

Hi Erica!

I recently purchased the HP Premium Choice Laser paper and noticed that my nibs (Nikko G and Hunt 22B) have been catching on the paper fibers (just a bit, nothing extreme). Just wondering if you've encountered this issue?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Brad franklin on July 29, 2014, 08:29:28 PM
Hi lineandtwine, I use the HP paper you mentioned. My nibs the nikko G, the tach. G and the EF Principal Nib all catch in the fibers of the paper on the upstrokes especially when it goes through some wet ink already on the paper. So I defiantly experience this, not sure bout other folks.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Cindy_H on September 13, 2015, 11:14:33 PM
This guide is so helpful. I know I'll be making a supply purchase soon, my first one. And forgive me but I'm so terribly excited about it.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: Erica McPhee on September 14, 2015, 12:51:10 PM
Sorry I didn't see this earlier... for future reference. The Hunt 22B will catch on just about anything. I do not have problems with the Nikko G catching except when using an ink like Higgins Eternal. I don't have catching problems with Walnut ink or McCaffreys with the Nikko G and the laser paper. Although I will say if it is extremely humid or pouring rain, no matter what I use catches.

Thanks!


Hi Erica!

I recently purchased the HP Premium Choice Laser paper and noticed that my nibs (Nikko G and Hunt 22B) have been catching on the paper fibers (just a bit, nothing extreme). Just wondering if you've encountered this issue?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: JohnNealBooks on September 14, 2015, 08:00:55 PM
We have recently found a new paper for all of our JNB pads.  It is smooth enough for pointed pen, but also works great with broad edge.  I tested with Higgins Eternal, McCaffery, Pelikan and several Noodler colors....NO feathering!  We have it in plain graph (items P21 and P22), copperplate graph (item P01) and blank (items P20 and P25). 

If you want a FREE sample sheet, please let us know when you order or send me a PM with your address. 

We used to use an HP paper, but Higgins and Pelikan both started feathering.  I tested 20+ papers before I found "the one". 

Cheers,
Michael
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: sarah_pascoe on September 07, 2016, 10:39:49 AM
Does anyone have any suggestions of starter supplies available in the UK??

Regards

Sarah x
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: AndyT on September 07, 2016, 11:13:55 AM
What are you looking for specifically, @sarah_pascoe ?  You'll find a list of the principal European suppliers in this thread (http://theflourishforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=2200) - pretty much everything is available within the UK, or close equivalents.
Title: Re: Pointed Pen Calligraphy Supplies - Starter Kit
Post by: sarah_pascoe on September 07, 2016, 01:39:28 PM
Thanks for that Andy T - just starting out and looking for the basic starter items without paying a fortune for postage.  That thread is perfect for me, thank you  ;D

S x