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Title: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: Erica McPhee on January 16, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
One of our kind members, Schin, from  openinkstand.com (http://openinkstand.etsy.com) very graciously allowed me to share this wonderful illustration she did for preparing your nib.

(https://theflourishforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2Fixjx0ak07%2Fschinnibprep.jpg&hash=bd0b8b9dcade53c227adfc33fd24b9fa)
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on January 17, 2014, 02:12:58 AM
Uh oh! I think Erica forgot page two. I'll attach it here.
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on January 17, 2014, 02:16:47 AM
Forgot there is a page 3! LOL! It's been a while...
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Post by: Erica McPhee on January 17, 2014, 09:45:59 AM
You are fabulous, Schin! I only saw the one page! Thank you so much for sharing the rest. This is a TREASURE!  :D
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Post by: Nice Plume on January 17, 2014, 02:45:02 PM
FANTASTIC Schin  !!
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Post by: Sherry Lu on January 17, 2014, 10:57:26 PM
Oh man, I love this illustrated guide!!! :):):)
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Post by: tintenfuchs on January 29, 2014, 03:14:25 AM
So cute!
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Post by: kellytop on March 07, 2014, 01:15:19 PM
This is very helpful for a newbie like me! Thank you very much for sharing!
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Post by: Lynn Lantz on March 19, 2014, 11:44:54 AM
This is wonderful! Thank you! I was wondering why one of my new nibs wouldn't write. :)
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Post by: patweecia on March 24, 2014, 10:14:53 PM
waaah! i couldn't see the first page. haha. it appears too small on my browser, i don't know why.

could you please attach it again, erica?

thanks so much :)
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Post by: jafix on March 24, 2014, 10:55:45 PM
Just wonderful!  Such a valuable resource, shared in such a delightful way; the less focus on the technical and more on fun the better!
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Post by: dailyletterings on March 25, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
same here! can't see page 1! for some reason it is super small!! and given my ocd tendencies ;) i cannot start reading through this cute tutorial until i can start on page 1!! haha  :-[
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: Erica McPhee on March 25, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
Hmmm... strange! I can see it nice and big. I will attach it here. Let me know if you can't see it!  :)
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on March 25, 2014, 11:17:02 PM
Haha thanks for the replies! I'm glad you guys like my little tutorial :) I think I will make another one soon.. any topic ideas?
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Post by: patweecia on March 26, 2014, 12:10:37 AM
i can see the first page now! haha!

thank you erica and schin!!!
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Post by: dailyletterings on March 27, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
Haha thanks for the replies! I'm glad you guys like my little tutorial :) I think I will make another one soon.. any topic ideas?

how about the big one: converting calligraphy piece to a digital piece!!  :D
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Post by: MarkG on May 30, 2014, 12:08:34 AM
Excellent! Very informative! Thanks for posting. The only thing I'll possibly do different (and see if it does the trick) is to wash the nib or swish it around in some lacquer thinner and then hot soapy water to remove any leftover oils, rather than risk getting the fine tip too hot and brittle with a flame, which would be easy to do!
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: Erica McPhee on May 31, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
I would not dip them in too long Mark or the thinner may very well eat your nib or take off the layer over the metal which would make the nib unusable.
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Post by: tangledpen on June 02, 2014, 08:06:32 AM
Thank you. Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for :)
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Post by: AmyNeub on June 02, 2014, 12:25:15 PM
Schin you are so talented! I love you illustrations.

What toothpaste works best for you?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on June 02, 2014, 04:04:56 PM
Thanks Amy! I don't use toothpaste anymore, but I was told not to use the gel-kind. I use rubbing alcohol to remove the oil.
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Post by: RandalC on June 02, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
In addition to dipping, an eyedropper or an artist's brush may be used to ink a nib. Have used a small bristle brush for years -- much evener fill than by dipping.
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Post by: penstaff on June 30, 2014, 11:01:10 AM
Hi Schin, good article! Am enjoying your work. Just join the Forum yesterday and wanted to inform you of my vintage nibs. I have probably one of the largest collections of vintage nibs in the country…all at reasonble prices. let me know your preferences and and I'll check my inventory for you. No order too small (or large).
Harvey (penstaff)
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Post by: penstaff on July 19, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
Personal note to Schin: With your permission I am including your beautiful flower artwork on Brian's holders in my column of "Hints" to the Fort Worth and Dallas calligraphy Guild newsletters for May 2015. Hope you don't mind - I think your work is awesome - it takes his oblique holders up to another level. If this is not satisfactory with you let me know and I can delete this information.
Harvey
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on July 19, 2014, 01:02:24 PM
Of course Harvey, it would be an honor! I am going to email you with high resolution photos of the pens, the ones on here are awfully small and won't reproduce well. I'm so glad you like them :)
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Post by: silverswirlstudios on July 19, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Wonderful illustrative guide, Schin! I'm glad you also have my old stand-by, Mr. Potato on there, hehe. The potato also is useful to clean the nib when you have stubborn inks that dry on the nib.

Great job, thanks for sharing - Erica and Schin!  :D :D :D
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Post by: cherlotuspixel on September 06, 2014, 09:48:11 PM
Thank you so much for this Schin! Very very helpful for me. Got me inspired too. :D
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Post by: Marina S on September 14, 2014, 01:16:44 PM
This is so very helpful! Thank you!
Answers several of my questions at once!
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Post by: ohsoillustrating on September 14, 2014, 05:10:33 PM
What a cute Illustration Schin!! Thank you to both you and Erica for sharing this with us all!!
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Post by: Merissa on October 09, 2014, 04:50:15 AM
I love this! Schin is multi-talented that's for sure!
I now know that I've been inserting my nib too far out omg ::)
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Post by: lynander on January 07, 2015, 10:13:26 PM
This is amazing! So cute!
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Post by: Afreen Gaffar on January 14, 2015, 05:37:11 PM
Schin you are amazing!! Is there anything you cant do? haha!  :D

Are you going to upload the pdf version somewhere ? I would love to take a print out and save it.

Btw since my Bday is coming up I am throwing hints left right an center at hubby to get me a Brian-Schin oblique holder. He finds the holders very fascinating too!!  :D 
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Post by: Pittipat on February 02, 2015, 01:06:26 AM
Wow, thank you for this!  Not only is it informative, it's also entertaining  ;D Your illustrations are very nice.  I was kind of wondering if it was okay that the oblique holder gets a little ink on it whenever I dip it in, I guess it isn't.

Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: AndyT on February 02, 2015, 05:14:56 AM
I was kind of wondering if it was okay that the oblique holder gets a little ink on it whenever I dip it in, I guess it isn't.

Oh, I think you might get away with it once in a while.  ;)

Seriously, it's bound to happen, and how diligent you are about cleaning it off is up to you.  If ink creeps inside a brass flange that usually means that you'll have a struggle getting the nib out, but it's nothing that the studious application of a pair of pliers and a modicum of brute force won't sort out if necessary.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, after all pen holders are tools.  This gallery (http://www.zanerian.com/DonTate_files/don_tate_index.html) of well-used holders might be reassuring.
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Post by: Sarah K on February 16, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
What a great illustration! I never seem to be able to remove all of the oil from my nib and I was about to start a thread about it. Then I found this, yay! So helpful!  :) I had been trying the tooth paste method to no avail, so I'll attempt using a flame and hopefully I won't harm the nib too terribly.  :o Wish me luck!
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Post by: adelina on February 20, 2015, 02:05:13 AM
This is so awesome. Thank you so much! I just bought some new nibs - didn't prepare my previous ones and they got rusty real quick (or maybe I also didn't clean them good enough). Will do this now :)
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on February 20, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
Haha oh man, I'm glad you guys like it! But I think it's due for an update pretty soon :) This was made almost 3 years ago!
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Post by: Chandra on February 20, 2015, 09:55:26 PM
Haha oh man, I'm glad you guys like it! But I think it's due for an update pretty soon :) This was made almost 3 years ago!

Schin's going to UPPDDATEEE SOOONN ! HOORRAAAAAYYY

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Post by: risharoll on April 02, 2015, 11:09:30 PM
I love the illustrated guide! I'm a visual learner so anything with pictures is 100x more fun. My copperplate instructor told us to just use an eraser. Anyone else been told that?
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Post by: mescalito2 on April 13, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
Hi ladies (and some few gentleman)  ;)

I found this very insightful for a totally newbie like me, it is perfect for the "before", but I'm wondering what about the "after".

My question is:
After I finish using my nibs, Should I clean with just paper towels with water or no water? should I leave my nib in the flange and do nothing? rinse with alcohol? or should I leave the nib on water until next time I use? I really don't know how to take care of my nibs after I use them.

I receive advice :)

Thanks
Nico
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on April 13, 2015, 09:23:43 PM
Hi ladies (and some few gentleman)  ;)

I found this very insightful for a totally newbie like me, it is perfect for the "before", but I'm wondering what about the "after".

My question is:
After I finish using my nibs, Should I clean with just paper towels with water or no water? should I leave my nib in the flange and do nothing? rinse with alcohol? or should I leave the nib on water until next time I use? I really don't know how to take care of my nibs after I use them.

I receive advice :)

Thanks
Nico

Yes, when you're finished using your nibs, it's a good idea to remove it from the flange and clean it with clean water. Then dry with a paper towel. Never let ink or water dry on your nib. The idea is you don't want the nib to rust or get all gunked up with dried ink, because all that will show when you use it next! You want to keep it fresh and clean and ready for the next use.

Whenever I feel it's writing wonky, I give it a couple swirls in alcohol/windex and it's good to go again.
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Post by: rosana on May 05, 2015, 12:02:44 AM
Thank you so much for the cool illustrations! Very helpful for a newbie like myself....I love it!
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Post by: thelelmom on May 05, 2015, 05:41:47 AM
Wow! I love this! Very informative and the illustrations look so fun! Thank you for sharing! :)
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Post by: Moya on May 05, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Schin, would you mind if I gave this out to students?  With links to you, of course!  I don't want to reinvent the wheel when you've made such a nice shiny clean wheel already ;D
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Post by: schin on May 05, 2015, 11:15:24 PM
Schin, would you mind if I gave this out to students?  With links to you, of course!  I don't want to reinvent the wheel when you've made such a nice shiny clean wheel already ;D

It would be an honor, but it's such outdated info! Yikes!
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Post by: Moya on May 06, 2015, 02:50:49 AM
It would be an honor, but it's such outdated info! Yikes!

Nah it's all still true!  I'm not doing this class till July though so I'll check back in in case you update before then - but I wouldn't worry so much, it's still accurate info!
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Post by: rosana on May 15, 2015, 05:19:05 PM
Thank you so much for the illustrations! i loved it - very clear and fun!
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Post by: aisyahwhy on May 30, 2015, 03:54:40 AM
wow! this is really helpful for a newbie like me. The illustrations make it easier for me to understand. Thank you so much for sharing this information :D
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Post by: clangsdorf on July 03, 2015, 03:56:14 PM
Thank you, Shin, for these sheets. Very nice summary of some basic technical information! Darling illustrations!
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Post by: lainey on July 31, 2015, 01:56:50 AM
I prepped my nib BEFORE I joined his forum and saw this post.  :( I think I "cooked" my nib and there is now a discoloration at the tip. Does that mean it's better to replace it?
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Post by: AndyT on July 31, 2015, 03:09:37 AM
Hello Lainey.  :)

I assume that you used a flame and the tip has turned either dark blue or brown?  That does indicate that the temper has been drawn, but you should certainly try it and see what you think.  The moral of the story, of course, is that it's wise to have a few nibs on hand rather than just the one.
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Post by: ericp on July 31, 2015, 05:27:00 PM
How come I missed this thread?
Amazing info, thanks Schin and everyone!

I assume that you used a flame and the tip has turned either dark blue or brown?  That does indicate that the temper has been drawn, but you should certainly try it and see what you think.

A couple of months ago, while battling with a Brause EF66 that did not want to cooperate, I put a flame to it, very briefly.  Yet it did turn dark blue or brown.

I put it aside and tried it again a couple of days ago to see if using magical thinking, it would cooperate.   :P   Of course, no.    Here's what I see:  the ink (in this case, watercolor) still "sticks" to the upper part of the nib but refuses to go down one millimeter where it would reach the paper (in fact this was the case before the potato and the toothpaste and the flame).

It would seem as though the metal is now resisting to let gravity pull the liquid downward.

So my question is:  it is one thing to remove the factory oil with a potato and it is another to destroy the nib with a flame.  Assuming the temper has been drawn, are there any other tricks to get the ink to flow in such an overflamed scenario?

This is a purely scientific experiment because I have given up on this EF66 (and besides I have about a dozen other faithful nibs for real work).  I welcome other creative ideas  :D  I might actually try dipping it in oil.  Or beer?  Usually that works miracles...  ;)

Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: AndyT on July 31, 2015, 06:02:55 PM
... are there any other tricks to get the ink to flow in such an overflamed scenario?

Purely in the spirit of scientific enquiry, you might try ammonia.  It'll cause other appalling problems with feathering and bleeding, but it does tend to get things flowing!  :)
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: RyanR on August 01, 2015, 07:47:36 AM
Is the new consensus to prepare nibs with rubbing alcohol? I just relieved my first order of nibs today and wanted to read up here before I took flame to the nib (or other methods). I noticed Schin said that the info was "dated" and now uses alcohol. Do you drop the nib in a container filled with alcohol or use a wipe or drenched cloth to rub the nib? Thank you!
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: ericp on August 03, 2015, 10:27:04 AM
Purely in the spirit of scientific enquiry, you might try ammonia.  It'll cause other appalling problems with feathering and bleeding, but it does tend to get things flowing!  :)
Thanks for the suggestion Andy.  I tried the ammonia (dip in Windex) and there was a slight improvement in the flow but after a few minutes, it was clear to me that I was wasting my time and gave up.

I also observed that the supple tines of the EF66 were not flexing back perfectly together and concluded the nib's bad behaviour might also be due to this weakness.  Anyway it's now making its way out to the great garbage can in the sky.    No big loss as I can get similar results with the Zebra and Nikko G's.

Regarding the ammonia trick, if you are facing a similar situation with the flow, I think it's worth trying it out.
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: penstaff on August 12, 2015, 11:55:35 PM
I was always taught (back in the dark ages) never to put a flame to a nib, but while the nib is new place it in your mouth and let the saliva do it's thing. With all the many nibs I have used over the years this has been the tried and true method. A flame can ruin a nib in short order, but NEVER use a butane lighter flame - it's hotter than a match - if you are not interested in keeping the nib go ahead and try the flame method. All you are trying to do is remove the factory oil on the nib. Be safe, not sorry! Use saliva, you won't taste the oil.

Harvey (penstaff)
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: schin on August 13, 2015, 02:06:28 PM
To be honest these days to clean a nib I just pop it in my mouth! If that doesn't do the trick, I then run it over some rubbing alcohol for a little bit. The nib is usually ready to go then.. no need for fire at all.
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: AndyT on August 13, 2015, 04:53:03 PM
To be honest these days to clean a nib I just pop it in my mouth!

Welcome to the club - it's the easiest way, isn't it?  Ironically, the only time I've ever had (brief) second thoughts about this was when you raised the possibility of swallowing a nib in one of your videos.  Just thought I'd pay that one back.  ;)
Title: Re: Preparing Your Nib Properly by Schin!
Post by: Erica McPhee on August 13, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
I won't raise the idea of heavy metals, toxic coatings, rat or cockroach poo, human (ahem) contamination from the person who packaged it, or ... on those nibs you are putting in your mouth. LOL! Oh wait, I just did!  ;D

I have always flamed my nib. And [shivers] I've used a butane lighter for the past 14 years. When someone a couple years back suggested I not use a flame, I tried the saliva method again (something I use from time to time). But I am an acidic person and believe it or not, my saliva makes a nib scratchy. (I know ... that can't be a good sign).  :o

Eric, when my Hiro 41s wouldn't work, an extremely quick dip in a tiny bit of PineSol did the trick. But if I went any longer than a quick in/out, it would destroy the nib. I figured it was worth the chance since they were unusable anyway.
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Post by: AndyT on August 14, 2015, 04:16:47 AM
Thank you for that, Erica.   :-\  I shall endeavour to set those charming mental images to one side...

... Hah!  Us devil-may-care adventurers laugh in the face of danger and tweak the nose of peril!  You see, forgotten already.  :)
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Post by: byfran on September 06, 2015, 11:42:56 PM
thank you for this! :) very helpful!
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Post by: arianneeyan on November 25, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
This is fantastic! BTW,I just started doing Calligraphy and this post explains a lot for beginners like me. Thank you! :)
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Post by: ash0kgiri on July 22, 2016, 08:36:33 AM
Thanks for sharing @schin & @Erica McPhee

Just bought new set of nibs and my first oblique holder.
And i will be less annoyed while writing now.

Ashok