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Copperplate Tutorial by SMK / Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« on: August 05, 2017, 07:15:31 PM »
Hi Salman,

What a privilege that we get such personalized feedback from you - thank you so much.

It has taken me way longer to post another practice sheet. It's tough finding practice time and my progress never feels "good enough" to post.

Anyways, this is where I'm at. I still have trouble with consistent spacing between letters, especially moving from an "i" to an "l".

Thank you so much Salman, or anybody else, for your comments!

These are HILARIOUS  :D

I couldn't help but try one myself, and I got this:

"Make cash. Play real. Hate cake."

The recipe for success for...somebody. I love cake.

Technical Support & Feedback / Re: Spoiled two new nibs!!
« on: July 18, 2017, 02:37:42 PM »
Hi May,

I'm also a beginner and have tried both the Nikko G and the Hunt 101. I find the Nikko G definitely requires more pressure on the downstrokes, so maybe if that's what you're used to, you're pressing too hard on the Hunt 101? Maybe a lighter hand would help.

That said, I would definitely defer to those with more experience...this feels a bit like the blind leading the blind!

I actually have the opposite problem now - after so much practice with the Hunt 101 and the Brause 66ef, I find using the Nikko G awkward  :(

@Estefa - Thank you for the advice, and the heads up on sharing an artist's work here. I think I removed the image successfully, and I apologize for breaching etiquette. I would remove the post itself, but am not sure how.

And I absolutely did not intend anything unfriendlly! I hope that much was clear from the original post...

Also, thank you answering the question  :)

I forgot to mention - I increased the contrast of the image before posting to show the script better - it looked way better on instagram!

Hello everyone!

I have another beginner question  ;D

I find myself following dozens and dozens of calligraphers on instagram and being completely overwhelmed with inspiration!

I have come across a particular piece that I think is beautiful,and am very curious about the script that was used. The artist, Younghae Chung (@logos_calligrapher) identified it as Copperplate in a hashtag.

It doesn't quite look like the exemplars I have been practicing with. For one, the downstrokes don't seem very shaded. Also, the angle doesn't quite look like 55 degrees. That said, I am a mere beginner with little experience studying the many variations of each script. And I know that every artist will develop their own style and way of flourishing.

I am eagerly awaiting for my copy of the Zanerian Manual of Alphabets and Engrossing. Will I find an exemplar similar to this work? Should I look elsewhere? Or is this something the artist likely developed on her own? Or is this straight up Copperplate??

P.S. I hope i am not making a faux pas by sharing someone else's work with the Forum! If so I am sorry!
P.P.S. It did occur to me to simply ask the artist herself, but I am a bit shy... :P

In case anyone is looking for a guild in or around Montreal, I just found and joined the Société des calligraphes de Montréal:

I haven't attended any meetings yet as they start again in September, but I can't wait!

Membership is 40$ and the workshops look interesting!

Tools & Supplies / Re: Question about fitting nibs to holders
« on: June 20, 2017, 04:04:07 PM »
Thanks for the tips everyone! Some very creative solutions here that would never have occured to me  ;D

Tools & Supplies / Re: Reason for Vintage Nibs' Quality?
« on: June 14, 2017, 10:38:40 AM »
The change in quality over time of vintage nibs was due to the decreasing amount of hand work and increasing amount of mechanization, especially after about 1935. As fountain pens took over, and labor became more expensive, the dip nib companies reduced their workforce to try and survive. Only a couple have, the rest fell by the wayside. Some, like Eagle, dropped quality earlier and more precipitously, others like Esterbrook and Turner & Harrison kept quality pretty good up to fairly late. You do see in later Esterbrooks signs like stamped grooves rather than hand grinding that illustrate the shortcuts they were trying to take to reduce labor and therefor costs. The very best quality examples are from 1920 and earlier.

What a fascinating thread.

Does this mean that when you purchase vintage nibs, you have to make sure that they were made before the 1930s? I noticed that the manufacturing dates are not advertised on the ebay listings that I've seen.

I recently picked up a couple of Gillott 303s that belonged to a draftsman who worked in the 1960s. I assumed them to be of "vintage quality". I haven't tried them yet, but is there a chance I will be disappointed?

Copperplate Tutorial by SMK / Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 1
« on: June 09, 2017, 10:08:21 AM »
Hi Salman,

I would like to submit my practice sheet for review and critique by your expert eyes or by anybody else at the Forum who would be kind enough to lend me some of their expertise.

I have been practicing for a few months and am still struggling with consistency in my letter forms.

One particular challenge that I would like some guidance on is the squaring off at the top of the "i". I understand that I am supposed to square off the top of the letter flush with the x-height line. However, if I place the paper at an angle to draw the "i" straight down at 55 degrees, the tip of my nib is placed in such a way that the squaring-off is also at an angle (see second picture).

My concern is that a) this is not the correct letter form and b) the angled top (and in other letters, the bottom) will be even more noticeable if written in a larger size.

I suspect I am having such a basic problem because I am such a beginner, but am not sure what the best way to correct this is. Do I twist my holder ever so slightly to square off the top against the x-height line?

I hope this all makes sense!

Thank you for any advice you can share!


Tools & Supplies / Re: Question about fitting nibs to holders
« on: June 08, 2017, 09:37:24 AM »
Thanks for the info @garyn - I'm going to check out the John Neal website.

@schin , would you recommend the round nose or the flat nose pliers? Or do you recommend I have both in my toolkit? (also, I'm a bit starstruck having you reply to my question...been stalking you on Youtube, IG and the FF... ;D)

General How To's & Projects / Re: I hate Craine Envelopes so I ......
« on: June 06, 2017, 10:14:04 AM »
@Elizgadus59 Thanks for sharing this tip!

Can I ask you what kind of paper nail file you use? I'm very curious to try it!

Tools & Supplies / Question about fitting nibs to holders
« on: June 06, 2017, 12:51:07 AM »
Hello everyone!

I have a question about how many different obliques some of you own to fit the various nibs you like to use.

I'm a rank beginner, and I've invested in an oblique holder fitted for a Nikko G (which also works with a Hunt 101 or Hunt 22b) and another fitted for a Brause EF66.

For fun, I picked up a tiny Easterbrook 354 nib, thinking it would fit in my Brause holder - nope! It's even tinier than the EF66!

So now I worry - with the wide variety of nibs out there, how many different holders does one need? Are there as many sizes of flanges as there are nibs? Is there any standardization at all for flange sizes???

Your insight would be appreciated!

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