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Tools & Supplies / Re: Ink that changes color as it dries??
« on: June 17, 2019, 09:21:48 AM »
There are a couple of fountain pen inks that have a "sheen" to other colors! J Herbin Emerald of Chivor is a great example. Organic Studio Nitrogen is another example. I would recommend specifically search for fountain pen inks that have a sheen or a glitter effect! Goulet pens and Jetpens both have a lot to choose from!

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Introductions / Re: Hi from Orlando!
« on: May 29, 2019, 04:06:07 PM »
Hi there welcome!! There's a lot of pointed pen tutorials in this forum, enjoy!

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Introductions / Re: Hi to all from the Pacific NW
« on: May 28, 2019, 08:28:33 AM »
Hi there Dave! Great to see someone with an interest in Chinese calligraphy! I always get excited, although I've only received training in Chinese penmanship (with a fountain pen), and not the traditional brush calligraphy. Nonetheless, looking forward to your work on this forum!!

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Introductions / Re: Hi there from DC!
« on: May 28, 2019, 08:11:12 AM »
@ash0kgiri Thank you very much! That means a lot to me. I've followed you on IG for a while - love your Copperplate!

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Show & Tell / Re: A late mother's day card
« on: May 17, 2019, 01:30:47 PM »
Thank you @Bianca M and @KacyBG !

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Show & Tell / A late mother's day card
« on: May 16, 2019, 09:27:27 AM »

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Hi there! So today one thing lead to another and I was faced with the question of distinction between English Roundhand, Engrosser's Script, and Copperplate as an umbrella term. I did a fair bit of research, and this topic has certainly appeared on this forum a couple of times. After digging through the rare books section of IAMPETH, I found these three books most representative of the original Roundhand script that I had in my head:

https://www.iampeth.com/pdf/art-writing
The Art of Writing is the earliest textbook I can find on penmanship on Iampeth, digging through the grave of their rare books pages. The author rambles a little too much, but gives a very specific instruction for every stroke, and onto every letter. This is true Roundhand similar to the Universal Penman.

https://www.iampeth.com/pdf/penmanship-and-shorthand
Published in 1821, this book has great examples of Roundhand. The proportions of the letter are pretty much the same as the ones in the Art of Writing.

https://www.iampeth.com/pdf/practical-penmanship-being-development-carstairian-system
This book, called "Practical Penmanship Being A Development of the Carstairian System" (published in 1830), covered how to cut the quill, the correct grip using a quill pen (and strings tied to the finger, kind of funny looking by today's standards...), and a "practical" approach to writing with a quill pen. I find this and some other books on Roundhand in the 1850s more or less resemble very early Spencerian, with much less width in each letter, and more ornamental. The author also incorporated oval movement exercises and a fair amount of end flourishes in his examples.

And as this more recent thread have discussed here https://theflourishforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5768.0, the main difference in execution of these two variations of Copperplate, if you will, is the pen lift at header or baseline. Although Engrosser's supposed to look like there is no gaps between strokes, in reality, if the pen lift technique is not mastered, still creates interruption. Personally I think there's also a difference between the letterforms: English Roundhand has much less bold shades, a less austere look, and more "flowy", if you may.

In my opinion, I think we may have exaggerated the differences between the two, because the structure of letters are so similar. Since the primary instrument for Roundhand (quill pen) is not in use as much anymore, perhaps we can achieve both through the use of a pointed pen, with a little tweak in technique.

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Introductions / Re: Hi there from DC!
« on: May 03, 2019, 10:25:31 AM »
Erica, I have completely forfeited my broad pen once I fully allowed myself to dive into the pointed pen scripts. Broad pen requires a different muscle memory, and until I get what I want in pointed pen, I'm not dabbling back and forth.

That said, I have a fun little project of replicating my diplomas from college and grad school this year, so that will eventually force me to take another hard look at blackletter.

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Open Flourish | General Discussion / Re: Your Instagrams
« on: April 30, 2019, 09:43:46 AM »
Mine is @dipentiful. It's a play on the word plentiful but someone already took pentiful before me, and I had to settle for dipentiful, adding dip in front of it, somehow more relevant, maybe.

Just wading through the posts to discover so much inspiration!!

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Interesting! I'm just an enthusiast so I try to make them last as long as possible. I have just adjusted myself to using Gillott 303s quite easily, BUT those tines are so so sharp that I get a nib catch multiple times in a day :/ Not great for the nib. I completely understand the word "Spit" haha.

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It sure seems like you have gone through quite a bit of nibs! May I ask how often do you retire your nibs? And what script do you write?

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Introductions / Hi there from DC!
« on: April 24, 2019, 03:19:00 PM »
I'm a calligraphy hobbyist living in Washington, DC. I started to practice consistently from start of this year, when I started having eye issues that bar me from looking at a computer for too long. I am currently practicing Copperplate and Spencerian, and have previously picked up a bit of blackletter, though I much prefer pointed pen scripts. When I'm bored at work, I practice business penmanship with a pencil.

I don't have any friends who have even a remotely similar hobby, so I wanted to join to forum to find like minded calligraphy enthusiasts.

I look forward to learning from everyone on this forum!

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