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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #180 on: October 29, 2018, 04:38:39 AM »
One more try, a day later and 8 hours more of practice. I went back to Group I and practiced the letter stems, and tried to figure out just where I was beginning to go haywire. I think I'm improving a little after more practice on the inverted i's and compound strokes. I find going back really helps keep me more on track. I am quick to develop bad habits.
Sorry for so many posting of practice sheets. I just feel it changes daily. Looking forward to your input and guidance, as always.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #181 on: October 30, 2018, 08:25:50 AM »
@NevadaDeb

This is now much more consistent Debi. The spacing has become quite wide, however, that is o.k. if it is what you want but the underturn-to-overturn connections will create light spots at this spacing - compare the m-y join to the t-h join in 'myth'. The extra space is coming from a tendency to draw round curves for the turns at the base line. The roundness of the turns is an illusion created by the combination of the taper in the shaded stroke and the angle of the hairline.

Other than the spacing, the structure and slant consistency looks good.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #182 on: October 31, 2018, 10:33:50 AM »
Hi Salman,

No, wide is NOT what I want. I was just a stepping stone for "old eyes" to see where I kept screwing up the entrance and exits and joins. I have a problem of practicing too much, and developing poor habits from repetition. So I exaggerated the wide spacing to show that I was trying to get better branching connections. It wasn't where I wanted to go, but where I was at in a very problematic area. I'm now starting to tighten up the spacing. Thank you for bearing with me, and for your patience. I value your feedback, and am backing off on practicing so much because I realize I'm my own worst enemy. I do love this thought that you shared: "The roundness of the turns is an illusion created by the combination of the taper in the shaded stroke and the angle of the hairline." One day, I hope it all comes together --eye, mind, hand, fingers. Thank you for not giving up on me and for being so patient with all my trials and errors!

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #183 on: November 01, 2018, 11:36:39 PM »
Thursday, November 1, 2018 practice. Working on hairlines, overturns, underturns and mostly diligently on trying to get the slant more consistent in upstrokes.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #184 on: November 08, 2018, 11:48:06 AM »
Wednesday, November 8 practice.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #185 on: November 10, 2018, 08:31:09 PM »
November 10, 2018 Practice. Not sure if I'm progressing or regressing. Still working on the elements advised: joins, symmetry, shade consistency, counter consistency, slant/angle consistency. I'm still working in groups of 5, but still having problems getting two lines of words with consistency. I'd be all set if I could just "cut and paste" a better word from all the attempts. Hah! I'm a bit frustrated that I am still struggling with my hand-eye coordination, but I keep reminding myself it's about the journey, and that I'm 70, not 30. Then I take a deep breath, stretch, and go play with the dog for a while. It helps. Thank you for sticking with me, even though it's taking me such a long time to find the consistency I long for. It must be even more frustrating for you to keep reminding me of the same things. But....Please don't give up on me! I'm very serious about wanting to learn, and I won't give up.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #186 on: November 17, 2018, 03:57:48 PM »
A week after last post. Slow progress, but I think, progress.

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #187 on: November 21, 2018, 12:26:14 PM »
@NevadaDeb

So sorry for missing so many posts Debi. The system stopped sending me emails for some reason. 

I am quite pleased with the letter forms, slant consistency and spacing of the last exercise. The only issue is that the shade thickness varies a bit but you can work on that as we move along. I think you are ready to take on the next group :-)

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #188 on: November 24, 2018, 01:43:45 PM »
Salman, thank you! You made my year by allowing me to move on into Group 3. Iíve been nervous about moving on, as I know those oval letterforms are tricky and will likely take me a couple months to feel comfortable and get any semblance of consistency. But as you say, ďthe fun begins.Ē I realize thatís tongue in cheek, but it is fun to attempt to make new movements, and move into those lovely ovals, even if itís a super challenging thing. Thank you again for all your guidance! Iíve enjoyed group 2 immensely, even though those compound curves have been daunting. Iím anxious to begin a new challenge!

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Re: Copperplate Minuscules - Group 2
« Reply #189 on: April 23, 2019, 03:23:53 PM »
Hi @Salman Khattak

Getting frustrated and hence turning to you again for help. Unable to get the group 2 (over turn & compound stroke) right. Been filling pages, but somehow seem lost. Tried to reverse the 'u' for the over turn, but somehow not getting it. I think I am missing something, and not about to place my finger on it. Please suggest something.

The compound stroke seems to be at an off angle, and the space between the second stroke and compound turn always seems higher visually, even if it measures correct. If reduced, the letter appears odd. 😣😣

Thanks,
Vipul