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Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« on: March 30, 2018, 02:45:26 PM »
Hi!

I'm a heavy walnut ink user. I just love it. But when comes the time to write in black, I use Higgins Eternal.



However, I can't say I like it because it ALWAYS destroys my nibs. For example, I have been working with Higgins Eternal on a project for 2 days, and my nib is already destroyed; it litterally gnawed the metal.

I work with Brause (for my Gothics and Italics) and Nikko G (for my Copperplate) nibs, and they are very hard to find where I live in Montreal, Canada.

After each session, I clean my nibs thoroughly under fresh water while rubbing with my fingers. After, I dry them using a tea towel and/or paper towel.

Does this happen only to me?

What would you recommend instead?

Thanks!
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 03:56:20 PM »
Wow, I didn't realize Higgins was corrosive.  We all have our favorite black inks- mine is Moon Palace Sumi, and I dilute it around 60:40 ink to water.  It is not corrosive like the Yasutomo green bottle sumi, which is commonly found.

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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 04:10:44 PM »
Hi!

Thanks for your response!

Is the Moon Palace Sumi this one?

When you say you dilute it around 60:40 ink to water, does it mean 3 parts ink for 2 parts water (3:2)? If so, why exactly?

Do you use it with a broad or pointed nib?

Thanks!

Chris.
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 04:17:36 PM »
I think Ziller's ink (the glossy black) is a nice alternative, if you want deep black ink. It also needs to be a bit thinned. You also have to clean your nibs well, because it's an acrylic ink, and it gives much more solid hairlines than walnut ink, but as I said – nice for special projects imho!

I should add that I don't know the ink you mentioned – there are so many black inks, I never felt this is something I have to order from overseas :).
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 05:23:02 PM »
Thank you! :D
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2018, 03:29:44 AM »
I use Higgins Eternal almost exclusively, especially for practice, with nibs from Brause Blue Pumpkin and Nikko G to the Hunt 101 and Leonardt EF Principal (and more).  I have never had any issues with it, I find it very gentle on my equipment.  Is it possible your water or something else is to blame?  When did you get your bottle of Eternal?  Maybe there was a bad batch?

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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2018, 10:33:55 AM »
Hi!

I never have any problem when I use walnut ink. I've had 2 bottles of Higgins over the years. Always the same.

I just bought the Higgins Pen Cleaner; my nib is all clean now, but still doesn't work well.



Thanks!
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2018, 11:07:36 AM »
Look at this! This is after two days of using Higgins! On the other hand, my other 2.5mm Brause nib is still intact after weeks of using walnut.
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2018, 04:57:30 PM »
When you say you dilute it around 60:40 ink to water, does it mean 3 parts ink for 2 parts water (3:2)? If so, why exactly?

Do you use it with a broad or pointed nib?

Yes, that is the Moon Palace! And what on earth is with my 60:40 ratio?  3:2, Bianca!  I was thinking percent, but wrote it in ratio format.   ::)

Anyhow, I find that it's too thick straight out of the bottle, but I don't recall ever using it with a broad nib.  If you opt to dilute it with a broad nib, your ratio, I suspect, will be different- it's all personal preference. :)

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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2018, 05:32:52 PM »
Thank you Bianca!

On another note, I'm wondering if my nibs get ruined because I take too long before washing them? I usually wash them after my working session. So sometimes it could be 1-2 hours of usage before washing the nib. Should I rinse it like every 30 minutes or something?

Also: does anyone use this Higgins?



I bought it today, but before I open the bottle, I'd like to know if anyone has any experience with it.

Thanks!
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2018, 08:21:52 PM »
, I'm wondering if my nibs get ruined because I take too long before washing them? I usually wash them after my working session. So sometimes it could be 1-2 hours of usage before washing the nib. Should I rinse it like every 30 minutes or something?

Do you clean/ dip in water while you’re working? I’ve read many places you need to remove your ink every two minutes or so to avoid corrosion. Not full on cleaning but dipping I water and drying of with paper or at least remove excess/drying ink with a towel every 5 mins or so. :)

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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2018, 09:42:56 AM »
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Do you clean/ dip in water while you’re working? I’ve read many places you need to remove your ink every two minutes or so to avoid corrosion. Not full on cleaning but dipping I water and drying of with paper or at least remove excess/drying ink with a towel every 5 mins or so. :)

Thanks! But every 2 minutes seems intense, no?
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2018, 11:44:54 AM »
I clean my nibs as soon as I have a feeling that the hairlines start to get bad … usually after one or two lines with walnut ink, more often with thicker, pigment based inks like gouache etc. – always when I lay down my pen just for a few minutes. I wipe off the ink on a cotton cloth, dip in water, wipe again. It's sort of automatic. But I admit that it's more work with a broad nib, especially if it has a reservoire …
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2018, 11:57:58 AM »
I clean my nibs as soon as I have a feeling that the hairlines start to get bad … usually after one or two lines with walnut ink, more often with thicker, pigment based inks like gouache etc. – always when I lay down my pen just for a few minutes. I wipe off the ink on a cotton cloth, dip in water, wipe again. It's sort of automatic. But I admit that it's more work with a broad nib, especially if it has a reservoire …

Thank you! :D
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Re: Higgins Eternal destroying nibs.
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2018, 11:30:41 PM »
I sort of have the opposite problem... I've noticed my walnut ink will discolor my nibs.  I've never noticed anything corrosive, but my walnut ink has taken the color out of my blue pumpkin and tarnished my EF principle.
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